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I've often heard about the Later Wittgenstein's method without fully comprehending what it entails. How exactly does one engage in Wittgenstienian analysis? How did the Analytical Marxists screw it up? And if any books could be recommended that follow that method I'd be extremely grateful.
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I'm not sure it would be correct to say that the 'Analytical' 'Marxists' screwed it up, I don't think they claimed to be trying it in the first place, though I may be wrong.
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Zero is right, they did not screw it up, they just ignored it entirely.
Wittgenstein's method is largely that which I use here: return idle philosophical speculation to ordinary language, examining how we actually use words like 'real', 'exist', substance', 'change'... As Marx noted: Quote:
http://www.roangelo.net/logwitt/
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First off, I'd like to thank both of you for your responses.
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Christopher:
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I wonder if there's books that apply this method, aside from, say, G. A. Cohen's work. I found an old copy of something called The Wittgenstein Notebook, but taht's about it.
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GLS/GSS d- s: a- C++ P+ L+++ E-- W+ N PS+++ PE t X R++ b+ D++ e+++ h+ r--- z-- "With the power of the [worker's] councils — a power that must internationally supplant all other forms of power — the proletarian movement becomes its own product. This product is nothing other than the producers themselves, whose goal has become nothing other than their own fulfillment. Only in this way can the spectacle’s negation of life be negated in its turn." - Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle, thesis 117 |
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Wittgenstein's Notebooks is based on work he was doing between 1912 and 1918.
And, Cohen does not apply his method. The only other Marxist books I know of that try to apply it are: Kitching, G. (1988), Karl Marx And The Philosophy of Praxis (Routledge). --------, (1994), Marxism And Science (Pennsylvania State University Press). --------, (2003), Wittgenstein And Society. Essays In Conceptual Puzzlement (Ashgate). However, Kitching badly misunderstands Wittgenstein, and ends up an anti-Marxist. Kitching, G., and Pleasants, N. (2002) (eds.), Marx And Wittgenstein. Knowledge, Morality And Politics (Routledge). The best book by far is: Robinson, G. (2003), Philosophy And Mystification. A Reflection On Nonsense And Clarity (Fordham University Press). I cannot recommend this book too highly. I am in fact publishing some of Robinson's essays at my site. Follow this link: http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.p...&postcount=206
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The late Jerry Cohen was not a Wittgensteinian. The kind of analytical philosophy that he drew upon when writing Karl Marx's Theory of History was, if anything, a variant of logical empiricism. Cohen cited Carl Hempel, especially Hempel's work on the covering-law model of explanation and Hempel's analysis of functional laws. And Cohen's later work on political philosophy was not very Wittgensteinian either. That work owed more to people like John Rawls and Ronald Dworkin. And his last writings on the subject took, what he described as a Platonic turn.
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eh, I still think the method was the most interesting part of the book.
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Rosa, any idea what happened to Robinson and 'Philosophy and Demystification'?
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He tried to get a publisher, but he wasn't successful.
I'll try to publish some of the essays from that book at my site. Another going up next week.
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EDIT: On second thoughts, I think I may have misunderstood. Is Philosophy and Demystification the sequel?
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But also when I am active scientifically, etc. – an activity which I can seldom perform in direct community with others – then my activity is social, because I perform it as a man. Not only is the material of my activity given to me as a social product (as is even the language in which the thinker is active): my own existence is social activity, and therefore that which I make of myself, I make of myself for society and with the consciousness of myself as a social being. - Karl Marx "There are decades when nothing happens; and there are weeks when decades happen." - Lenin |
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Yes, it is mentioned here. Thanks for the effort, though.
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