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    A united left movement does not exist and cannot exist, since the leftists by themselves are very diverse, and this diversity has an objective reason."Capitalism would not be capitalism if the "pure" proletariat were not surrounded by a large number of exceedingly motley types intermediate between the proletariat and the semi-proletarian ..., between the semi-proletarian ...and petty artisan, handicraft worker and small master in general..." wich ,as a rule,is a mass social base of the majority of leftist's organizations.That is, in short, the main reason is not in personal ambitions or in historical but in social-class differences. So a temporary tactical alliance is possible,but not the united leftist's organization.
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    Good question. From my own point of view, my personal theory about why can't radical leftists unite into 1 big marxist united front in each country of the world, it is because humans tend to be group-narcissists.

    Take a look the definition of group narcissism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism

    Collective narcissism (or group narcissism) is a type of narcissism where an individual has an inflated self-love of his or her own ingroup, where an "ingroup" is a group in which an individual is personally involved. While the classic definition of narcissism focuses on the individual, collective narcissism asserts that one can have a similar excessively high opinion of a group, and that a group can function as a narcissistic entity. Collective narcissism is related to ethnocentrism; however, ethnocentrism primarily focuses on self-centeredness at an ethnic or cultural level, while collective narcissism is extended to any type of ingroup, beyond just cultures and ethnicities. Some theorists believe group-level narcissism to be an extension of individual narcissism, though others believe the two to be independent of each other.


    Quote Originally Posted by jdneel View Post
    Never mind the thought of a broad left coalition, we Trotskyists can't even seem to cooperate within our various parties and organizations. SAlt, ISO, SEP and others I may have missed have much more in common with each other than they have differences but try to get them together for a common goal. Constant squabbling amongst ourselves is not conducive to the overthrow of capitalism. Workers of the world unite!


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    The point isn't to 'unify' -- it's to go *leftwards*, so that revolutionary-type policies actually *prevail* and become the social norms everywhere.


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    Just quoting Marx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdneel View Post

    Just quoting Marx.

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    Yeah, but many people -- *non*-revolutionary leftists -- take this to mean that some period of politicking and horse-trading is required, to try to wrangle-together a tentative leftist unity, with everyone becoming politically commodified as a result.

    This 'groupthink' mentality means that *principles* of politics give-way to an electioneering-type frenzy over *personnel*, as though what's needed is to assemble a 'dream team' and then all external obstacles will just automatically give-way.

    I'll remind that what the revolutionary left needs is *numbers*, people who grasp what the interests of the working class are, and who can argue-for and advance these interests appropriately.

    'Unity', from the *revolutionary* standpoint, means a rightwards drift and *dilution* of revolutionary politics.

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    I'm not a faux left Democrat and have no illusions of reforming the system. "Change will not come from above."
    I've watched the reforms which
    were earned by the shed blood of the workers taken back by the Capitalists. Workers have virtually no rights in present day America.
    The people which need to know most of the Socialist alternative are the workers. How do we best present to them the idea of necessary class struggle.They won't get it from the Capitalist controlled and owned media. We need some way of forcing the media's hand. I believe an excellent tactic is political entryism.
    Kshama Sawant through election to the Seattle city council, was given an excellent pulpit to propound the plight of the working class. Even Bernie Sanders, who I'll concede is no revolutionary, brought the idea of Socialism into the American conciousness. Before the revolution, Lenin and Trotsky used entryism as a tactic in Czarist Russia.
    I know it's just a start. I know that capitalism cannot be reformed and must be overthrown. But only the workers themselves can cause their liberation. And before that happens they must be made aware of the possibilities available to them.





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    Quote Originally Posted by jdneel View Post

    I'm not a faux left Democrat and have no illusions of reforming the system. "Change will not come from above."
    I've watched the reforms which
    were earned by the shed blood of the workers taken back by the Capitalists. Workers have virtually no rights in present day America.
    The people which need to know most of the Socialist alternative are the workers. How do we best present to them the idea of necessary class struggle.They won't get it from the Capitalist controlled and owned media. We need some way of forcing the media's hand. I believe an excellent tactic is political entryism.
    Kshama Sawant through election to the Seattle city council, was given an excellent pulpit to propound the plight of the working class. Even Bernie Sanders, who I'll concede is no revolutionary, brought the idea of Socialism into the American conciousness. Before the revolution, Lenin and Trotsky used entryism as a tactic in Czarist Russia.
    I know it's just a start. I know that capitalism cannot be reformed and must be overthrown. But only the workers themselves can cause their liberation. And before that happens they must be made aware of the possibilities available to them.





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    I'd say start with the question of foreign policy -- the J20 protests were impressive, but before then there had been all kinds of imperialist warfare going on, against Syria, Yemen, etc., and there's a *deafening silence* from the soft-left on all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    See above, but not just in terms of exact figures. The notion of "socialism" most respondents had likely has little to do with socialism as the revolutionary left knows it. It's more akin to social democracy, or even Keynesian public works projects.
    To be fair, that's a step up than where we were a generation ago. Back then it was all about "democratizing capitalism" and "ditching the dogmas of the past". Nowadays people are beginning to question the policies of the ruling class, if not the ruling class itself. THAT is our opening; to offer a compelling message about how capitalists exploit people and how we can end it. We even have modern-day proof of exploitation: just look at any sweatshop factory or child labor scandal in the Third World. Those stories prove how oppressive capitalism can be when you let it run amok. I may be a revolutionary leftist, but I'll take plain old social democracy over neoliberalism any day of the week.
    An injury to one is an injury to all -Industrial Workers of the World

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    While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free -Eugene V. Debs


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    Amen. The Republicans tell us they're gonna screw us and screw us. The Democrats tell us they're our friends and then screw us. Neo-liberal economic policy has been disastrous for the American working class. The only class that has benefitted are the Capitalists.

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