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    Oh and Onfire...

    "It is only by the abolition of the state, by the conquest of perfect liberty by the individual, by free agreement, association, and absolute free federation that we can reach Communism - the possession in common of our social inheritance, and the production in common of all riches." ~Peter Kropotkin
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    Quote Originally Posted by (A) View Post

    Your framework is meaningless as you have no material means to implement it and most likely never will; but I saw this and thought it relevant for your understanding of "my" position.

    Yeah, thanks for the random insults, as ever -- your position / political-economy has been vacillating all over the place and is inconsistent and not feasible, anyway. You're not interested in making realistic plans for a potential post-capitalist social order as much as you are in attempts at one-upmanship -- (yawn).


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    I need to propose no framework because the proposition has already been made; and seeing as their are more Anarcho-Syndicalists then there are ckaihatsuists; I think it is more likely that the most likely & feasible reality for a post-capitalist political economy is ours.

    "Yours" -- you can *have* it but just don't come crying to me later when you run into all of the hazards I've been describing, with such an approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnFire View Post
    The thread derailment only serves to proof that Anarchism is a tool of the bourgeoisie to disrupt any revolutionary process, and that Anarchists are fooled into believing that they are anti-reactionary. It also shows that no discussion can take place with them, as they religiously adhere to their sectarianism and fierce anti-communism. In my OP, I wanted to tell me opinion about Stalin, who may not have been a saint, but did always the right actions at the right time, following Lenin's ideas and advancing the cause of communism. The filthy trator Trotsky wanted to weaken the new Soviet State by introducing factions, we can see in this thread what happen when one gives counter-revolutionary elements the right to speak. The Kronstadt anarchists wanted to kill communism in its cradle by rising up against the Bolsheviks, this is when they finally showed their true face as agents of imperialism. This continued, for example in the Spanish civil war, and even today. I hope that after the revolution, the "no investigation - no right to speak" principle will once more be fully enforced against those enemies of the workers.
    Stalin was not a saint, but always did the right thing. Are you incapable of seeing the contradiction in this?
    What did the soviet union, and especially Stalin do for communism? They ended the worker soviets. Any time workers tried to rule their selves, they were sent to gulags. The soviet union was a huge dungeon and did nothing to work towards communism. You equating Bolshevism with communism is so idiotic. You just call any opposition to your totalitarian system anti-revolutionary, without providing any evidence, luckily nobody takes Stalinists serious anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IbelieveInanarchy View Post
    Stalin was not a saint, but always did the right thing. Are you incapable of seeing the contradiction in this?
    What did the soviet union, and especially Stalin do for communism? They ended the worker soviets. Any time workers tried to rule their selves, they were sent to gulags. The soviet union was a huge dungeon and did nothing to work towards communism. You equating Bolshevism with communism is so idiotic. You just call any opposition to your totalitarian system anti-revolutionary, without providing any evidence, luckily nobody takes Stalinists serious anymore.
    It was, and is, my unshakable conviction that only a Marxist-Leninist party can develop into a genuine working-class vanguard.


    What differentiates Marxism-Leninism is the consistent revolutionary analysis and a thoroughly scientific approach to all aspects of life, which enables us communists to approach every question from a proletarian perspective, holding our course amidst the deluge of bourgeois and revisionist propaganda. Yes, Stalin was ruthless, he was in no way tolerant, loyal, polite or considerate to the enemies of the proletariat. He also smashed fascism and brought a backwater nation as first into space.


    Marxism-Leninism, keeps on attracting the best and most serious representatives of the working class towards it, as people see through the bourgeois lies you endlessly repeat. Did the NKVD pay the rain not to fall and encourage the Kulaks to hoard the grain in order to make profits?


    It is noticeable today that all the other "revolutionaries", even if they may be calling themselves socialist and communist, are falling into despondency and disarray, having travelled right to the end of the blind alley dictated by their fatally flawed programme of Revisionism. Their ranks are declining and their leaders are fighting amongst themselves for the diminishing returns still to be got out of their social-democratic gravy train.


    Marxism-Leninism on the other hand, is once again growing, and we Communists are characterised by enthusiasm and optimism. As a result, the Marxist-Leninist movement is more active, more organised and more steeled in the struggle than any anarchist or revisionist movement. Moreover, unlike the Trotskyite traitors and revisionists, Marxism-Leninism means following the teachings of the classics of Scientific Socialism: Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin.


    Every Communist is recognising the earth-shaking historical significance of the Great Proletarian Socialist October Revolution in the struggle of the international proletariat and oppressed people against all exploitation and oppression.The successful building of socialism in the USSR, serving as an inspiration to the working class and oppressed everywhere and the signal contribution of the socialist USSR to the smashing of the Nazi war machine, everyone who is serious about the Revolution will defend the gains of Red October and refute all revisionist and anticommunist slanders against the undisputed correct leadership of Lenin and Stalin during the period of socialist construction.
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    I am sure your conviction is unshakable but that has clearly not stopped you from being a deluded zealot.
    Last edited by (A); Yesterday at 21:50.
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    "Let us fight to free the world - to do away with national barriers - to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all menís happiness. Soldiers! in the name of democracy, let us all unite!" ~Charles Chaplin
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnFire View Post
    It was, and is, my unshakable conviction that only a Marxist-Leninist party can develop into a genuine working-class vanguard.


    What differentiates Marxism-Leninism is the consistent revolutionary analysis and a thoroughly scientific approach to all aspects of life, which enables us communists to approach every question from a proletarian perspective, holding our course amidst the deluge of bourgeois and revisionist propaganda. Yes, Stalin was ruthless, he was in no way tolerant, loyal, polite or considerate to the enemies of the proletariat. He also smashed fascism and brought a backwater nation as first into space.


    Marxism-Leninism, keeps on attracting the best and most serious representatives of the working class towards it, as people see through the bourgeois lies you endlessly repeat. Did the NKVD pay the rain not to fall and encourage the Kulaks to hoard the grain in order to make profits?


    It is noticeable today that all the other "revolutionaries", even if they may be calling themselves socialist and communist, are falling into despondency and disarray, having travelled right to the end of the blind alley dictated by their fatally flawed programme of Revisionism. Their ranks are declining and their leaders are fighting amongst themselves for the diminishing returns still to be got out of their social-democratic gravy train.


    Marxism-Leninism on the other hand, is once again growing, and we Communists are characterised by enthusiasm and optimism. As a result, the Marxist-Leninist movement is more active, more organised and more steeled in the struggle than any anarchist or revisionist movement. Moreover, unlike the Trotskyite traitors and revisionists, Marxism-Leninism means following the teachings of the classics of Scientific Socialism: Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin.


    Every Communist is recognising the earth-shaking historical significance of the Great Proletarian Socialist October Revolution in the struggle of the international proletariat and oppressed people against all exploitation and oppression.The successful building of socialism in the USSR, serving as an inspiration to the working class and oppressed everywhere and the signal contribution of the socialist USSR to the smashing of the Nazi war machine, everyone who is serious about the Revolution will defend the gains of Red October and refute all revisionist and anticommunist slanders against the undisputed correct leadership of Lenin and Stalin during the period of socialist construction.
    Stalin was some 10 years dead when the soviet union went into space.
    He didn't smash fascism, millions of workers fought to their death to smash fascism, while Stalin was living in luxury probably attending some high minded diner.
    Nobody here said that nkvd encouraged kulaks to hoard grain, this is no a lie I 'endlessly repeat'.

    Your fourth paragraph is just a description of any stalinist or Maoist party. If you look at workers actually working towards a revolution, Rojova for example, you will clearly see it is anarchists who always push the revolution forwards. Another example is the paris commune. Stalinists only seek to aquire the state to suppress the proletariat and build a party elite. You should know that no man is capable of ruling others, hell, most are barely capable of ruling themselves. End every state and all hierarchy, that is the way to reach communism. The idea that the state will wither away is an infantile notion, states are self-perpetuating.

    Of course i am not denying the historical significance of the oktober revolution. It is very significant in showing that to follow a select group of individuals is very dangerous.

    Go ahead and keep following your long-dead leaders, i choose to rule myself.

    This is what happens when workers self organise when a stalinist regime is around.
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    Wow! An unreconstructed Stalinist! I thought you could only find those in the zoo nowadays.

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    Stalin didn't smash fascism, millions of workers fought to their death to smash fascism, while Stalin was living in luxury probably attending some high minded diner.
    History a la anarchists :Hitler didn't establish fascism,invade other countries and commit holocost, millions of German workers did it ,while Hitler simply was living in luxury. The German people - that is who should have been condemned in Nuremberg, not Hitler's officials, innocent victims of Stalinism.

    And all other their arguments are in the same vein.
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    Anarchism in the modern context is nothing more than the conscience of Capitalism.

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    You can always count on General Winter and Antiochus to make irrelevant comments in favor of totalitarianism and apparently the great man theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (A) View Post
    the great man theory.
    Can we know something about this theory? And reference to the primary sources,please,show everyone that anarchists do not pick up areguments from nose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Winter View Post
    please,show everyone that anarchists do not pick up areguments from nose.
    er
    could you clarify this comment
    I ALMOST DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE BECAUSE OF ANARCHISM AND PUNK ROCK

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Winter View Post
    History a la anarchists :Hitler didn't establish fascism,invade other countries and commit holocost, millions of German workers did it ,while Hitler simply was living in luxury. The German people - that is who should have been condemned in Nuremberg, not Hitler's officials, innocent victims of Stalinism.

    And all other their arguments are in the same vein.
    Yeah cool story bro, i think that, just like hitler, stalin and his officials should have been persecuted in Nuremberg-like trials. You just make an exception for Stalin because he represents the strain of totalitarianism you adhere to. You seem to be incapable of understanding that only in totalitarian states gulags and concentration camps can exist for a long time. Of course the leaders are responsible for this since they have total state power. Hitler gave the order to build the roads, but the German workers should get the credit of actually building them.

    Your idea that leaders deserve credit for what 'their' workers did is bourgeoisie rhetoric. It can be used just as well by a capitalist who says that capitalists brought wealth to western Europe. To just flat out deny that workers build the factories and worked in the factories is short sighted.

    And yes, if this is your objection, German workers who built concentration camps and guarded them are nothing else than scum. And it is indeed very true that Hitler did not do this deplorable work because, as a leader, he is exempt from the conditions the working man has to suffer. This is the problem with leaders in general.
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    anyone else miss rafiq and pheonix ash's debates?

    http://www.revleft.com/vb/threads/19...99#post2842699

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    Quote Originally Posted by willowtooth View Post
    anyone else miss rafiq and pheonix ash's debates?

    http://www.revleft.com/vb/threads/19...99#post2842699
    Ah yes, the RevLeft golden age. Also, dialectical proof of the law of eternal return...or it would be, if the same discussion didn't degrade further each time. The contradictions end not with a bang, but a whimper.
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