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    Quote Originally Posted by stalinets854 View Post
    I haven't heard of this anywhere.
    I doubt anything major will happen.
    I don't think there will be any spectacular result, if that's what you mean, but allegedly there are already going to be more than 10 million workers across 8 countries simultaneously coming out on strike, with some workers (and students and leftist groups) in at least 4 other countries demonstrating in support. That's not insignificant.

    The TUC in the UK has been totally silent too, despite backing a call for a general strike little more than a month ago. They have failed to announce a date, even though 14th November seems kinda obvious. In some countries (particularly I think Italy and Portugal) different union organisations have been forced to move actions from other days to the 14th, sometimes having previously dismissed it; I can't think why unless it's the membership making them do it, which makes it significant I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stalinets854 View Post
    I haven't heard of this anywhere.
    I doubt anything major will happen.
    I've seen some major news organizations here in the states report on the planned strike in the Iberian peninsula, haven't heard about stuff outside Spain/Portugal, though.
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    In Slovenia there will be demonstrations on 17th of November. They said they didn't want to protest on 14th because people are at work so they put in on Saturday....Students, syndicates and pensioners will participate, maybe some other will join but it's not official yet.
    It will be against our government and their ''solutions'' to save our country before we go bankrupt.

    I bet there will be just few people protesting for two hours and that will be it. And everything will remain just the same. Young people won't go protesting because 'they want to sleep' (the protest would at 11 am) and will have other stupid reasons for not going.

    And in two weeks we will have elections....for president....

    Our government is awful....they are making decisions with the help of USA (I'm not against Americans but why do they ''rule'' our country ), spending money (buying tanks.....maybe they are getting ready for something more....) and drafting young men for military (that's the new law)

    I wonder if these strikes/protests/demonstrations will bring any success. Let's hope for the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menocchio View Post
    But suppose you were right, if this were a "test strike" and if it turned out great, what do you think the next step of the union federations could be?
    If they had sufficient support, they could strike for a longer period of time. From what I know, a general strike can only be successful if a ton of people participate, and holding a small one for more than a day would probably just be a waste of time and resources.

    Honestly I'm not even sure if this is a "test strike". I just assumed it was because I can't think of any other reason for a one day strike.

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    So I'm guessing, based upon what I've been reading on Libcom, that there will only actually be strikes in the Iberian peninsula, Cyprus and Greece. And maybe a minor one in Italy...? I guess that the CGIL has called a four-hour strike on that day.

    There will probably be demos in a number of other countries.
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    That's simply not true. The Communist Party has organised an action in Amsterdam, and if I'm not mistaken the FNV has as well. The Anarchist Group Amsterdam organised something as well, so I hear.

    There will be a demonstration around the Dutch parliament (circa 100 people will show up, but still) in The Hague, while a small student demonstration is planned in Utrecht in the city centre, near the University.

    Some comrades have organised an action in Tilburg, and the FNV has organised an action in Woerden. There is also an action planned in Ede, but no one is going to show up it seems.

    And then there is the demonstration in Rotterdam you mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Cornelis View Post
    That's simply not true. The Communist Party has organised an action in Amsterdam, and if I'm not mistaken the FNV has as well. The Anarchist Group Amsterdam organised something as well, so I hear.

    There will be a demonstration around the Dutch parliament (circa 100 people will show up, but still) in The Hague, while a small student demonstration is planned in Utrecht in the city centre, near the University.

    Some comrades have organised an action in Tilburg, and the FNV has organised an action in Woerden. There is also an action planned in Ede, but no one is going to show up it seems.

    And then there is the demonstration in Rotterdam you mentioned.
    Of those you mention only the FNV demo might pull some numbers. And since I haven't received any note of that demo as a FNV member, I doubt they're putting a lot of effort in it.

    The NCPN and the rest is just irrelevant besides the purely symbolical. I mean, 100 people at parliament? Oh noes, the ruling coalition must shiver in terror!
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    map of planned actions

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    The problem at the moment at least in the UK is the low level of class militancy which allows the TUC left as well as right to come up with more militant rhetoric knowing that they will have to do nothing to build a genuine national strike. Nov 14th will probably in the UK be nothing more than the activity of a small minority and not a class wide response. What would be more realistic would be to support whatever struggle is taking place and try to put the idea of socialism back on the agenda.

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    I'm assuming where I am there will be me, and some home-made flyers in town, with a lot of people who have never even hear of the European General Strike/Day of Action Against Austerity.

    I'm thinking of entitling my flyer

    Treacherous
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    Cowardly

    or possibly

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    There are a few symbolic actions up and down the UK. Nothing radical at all that I've been able to find out about.
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    The lack of response from the unions in the UK is not surprising and just shows that the left union leaders are useless in organising a general strike even for one day. The only time we will get one will be when there is a network of militants implanted in the workplaces with a clear Marxist perspective and when they have won the argument with the majority of workers.

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    Today is the day and i am glad to hear that at least some countries are striking.
    I'm especially proud of Belgian Unions for striking out of solidarity with the southern european countries!

    I just can't get why Dutch unions aren't on strike. Especialy now that the new parliament is making a new screw-up every two days or so.
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    Some pictures that were posted earlier on twitter, from Spain:









    (vandalized Spanish government website; "no one works here")

    Hope today goes well!
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    + YouTube Video
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    Police repress a picket in Spain.

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    Portugal.

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    Milan.

    I know shit's kicking off in Greece as well but I've not found any good videos/pictures... seriously this is the most exciting thing to happen in a long time, in my opinion. Class struggle across borders. It's fantastic working class internationalism.
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    sounds like spain is shut

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    While the strikes that have swept southern Europe today is a sign of the anger against austerity for workers while wealth is handed out in bucketloads to the capitalists this is still not enough to stop the cuts from being implemented the day after the strikes. When will workers begin to organise independently from the unions and organise internationally to overthrow the respective capitalist states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by red flag over teeside View Post
    While the strikes that have swept southern Europe today is a sign of the anger against austerity for workers while wealth is handed out in bucketloads to the capitalists this is still not enough to stop the cuts from being implemented the day after the strikes. When will workers begin to organise independently from the unions and organise internationally to overthrow the respective capitalist states?
    Not tomorrow. It is a process, and this is a step in the right direction. I wouldn't say the workers HAVE to organize separately from the unions. They either need to reorganize the union in a revolutionary manner OR organize separately. The union can be a very useful tool in creating class consciousness and getting workers out of the shops and onto the streets, case in point: TODAY.
    Solidarity with all of southern Europe, fuck yeah!
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    [FONT=Verdana]The problem with relying on the unions to take any effective action which goes beyond one day actions is that it actually disempowers and restricts the independent organisation of the respective working classes.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Verdana]I would qustion Thriller assertion that the unions are somehow responsible for creating class consciouness. I think that class consciosness arises from the day to day lived experiences of workers ourselves. The problem is not with workers having class consciousness the problem is that this consciouness needs to go beyond capitalism and embrace socialism/communism. I think that we can see this restriction in the general strikes over the past four years in Greece and now in Spain and Portugal.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana]Working class assemblies is the way forward which includes all workers and to turn general strikes into political insurrectionary movements which as Thriller says needs to be international.[/FONT]
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    I think the unions have actually in many cases hindered the process of coming together. OK, I'm not going to criticise the CNT or other Anarcho-syndicalist unions/groups but the 'piecard' unions have certainly tried to control these events in a way that is not conducive to workers' self-organisation. Originally in Portugal and Italy, at least in my understanding, different unions were dismissive of the 14N co-ordination attempts, and were only forced to change other strike days for the 14th by pressure from their members.

    In countries like Britain - where the TUC was given a mandate to call a general strike only two months ago, but hasn't - there has been very little publicity given to this. I think in most of northern Europe, union federations have ignored it.
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