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    What is your opinion on Socialist-Realism?
    Your favorites?

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    Is this resistance or a costume party?
    Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.

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    I just threw up a little in my mouth.

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    Socialist-realism art is secondary to the soc-realist literature.

    I have some diaries and notes from various writers who visited Moscow and attended the various Union of writers events.I will write it down and transcribe it when i have the time,right now,i have some work to do. I will post it later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRebel View Post
    What is your opinion on Socialist-Realism?
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    Socialist realism is the best form of art for the working masses, devoid of all bourgeois influence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Commistar View Post
    Socialist realism is the best form of art for the working masses, devoid of all bourgeois influence.
    Who says it's best for the working masses? Why don't the working masses get to decide what kind of art and literature speaks to them the best.

    While the content of this art might be progressive or support things that you support, the forms of this art are indistinguishable from art created under the influence and ideological assumptions of the bourgeois.



    Sure there are amazing works of socialist realism, but there are also amazing works made by artists under feudalism or capitalism. The problem I have with the genre is that it was dictated - art from above. Not only that but dictated TO... dictated to workers as being the "pure" art. This is not revolutionary in my view... at least not revolutionary in a proletarian sense:



    Who needs a horse eh?

    After the Russian Revolution there was a sense of "opening up" the art that only the rich usually have access to: people were able to see the Opera and go to museums and with increased education could read great Russian Literature. I think that should be the only political agenda for revolutionaries regarding art: more access, more ability for people to produce their own art, more education, less daily labor and tasks so they can actually read, play, see art, and enjoy all that society and culture (including past cultures) have to offer. Dictating form or content is not only anti-art, it's anti-working-class-self-liberation.

    No one reads Chaucer and suddenly develops feudal consciousness - no one today reads Shakespeare and longs for a King. This is because the social and productive relations of those eras have been demolished and replaced. So now people read or watch or see past-art with our own social context and assumptions. The same would be true of communism - we don't know what post-class art would be like because the conditions for such a thing don't exist. They also wouldn't exist immediately after a revolution in which workers took control of society - but as class differences are eliminated and new socialist relations in production take hold in society then the chance for a new universal (no-class) art can emerge organically.

    Again this isn't to say there isn't wonderful and truly artful and meaningful socialist realism, just that it isn't "socialist" art.


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    I actually love Socialist Realist art aesthetically, but I don't subscribe at all to the notion that it's "best for the working class".

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    Socialist realism as far as art is somewhat lacking for me. I know the message they are trying to get a across, it doesn't force me to think or question. As far as literature goes, socialist realism sucks. Reading a novel about how people saved the cement factory really isn't worth my time. Although Sergei Eisenstein was one the greatest directors of the early 20th century, and his socialist-realist works are pretty bad ass.
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    too bland. decadent bourgeois stuff all the way.

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    Political kitsch.

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    "socialist realism" meh, not my kind of stuff since it has hardly anything to do with realism, since it paints people always as nicer looking and happier then they really were/are, its propaganda and not much else. there are some good works in that, though. still not my thing.
    All i want is a Marxist Hunk.

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    You people obviously haven't read much socialist-realist novels.

    The socialist realist literature was not propaganda,how can you say the works of so many great authors were just party generated novels of no value? There was much more to them,the works of many authors were indeed great artistic jewels,some more,some less.The Soviet literature of that period was not a turbid stream,but a flowering plant,full of literary works of immense value.How many pictures were painted trough words and lines,how many moments in human consciousness were 'traped' and depicted by the great novel writers from Baku to Leningrad? How many stories of life and death during the period of the Great War were captured in verse while the Soviet society faced the great problems of its existance? How many
    lives were recorded as tragedies while the war machines of the Nazi invaders destroyed life at each step?

    If a young inexperienced writer tries to earn money by writing a novel which praises the Soviet regime,and if he keeps the money factor,as the main moving force behind his work,than that is no art,that is opportunism and carrierism. Socialist realism is heterogeneous,and it can be observed as a period in Soviet artistic society,and not a tool of the party. I mean,some guiding lines had to be followed,for an example,no one wrote in a positive light about the reactionaries,but than again,why is that negative?

    Not to mention that socialist-realist art is not something inextricably linked to the Soviet Union,many great socialist-realist writers came from other countries,the Chinese,(I only read a couple of novels from Ding Ling.) the Bulgarians (Radevski,Karaslavov.) the authors from Czechoslovakia (Jan Drda,and others.) the authors from Yugoslavia,Germany,Hungary,Albania.

    You must read all of the novels,and you must ignore politics,for the sake of learning,and understanding some of the main aspects of the novels.You might not agree with the authors,you might dislike his politics,but if you read only the works of Soviet authors pre 1953,you are going to run out of books very soon.Of course,this does not mean you should waste your time on the books of reactionary anti-Soviet authors,or the books of anti-communists,but even in that case,read what they have to say,and than construct counter arguments and in that way,expand your knowledge and area of interests. I will give you a good example,i was having a discussion with friends,on a terrace above the sea.We were talking about literature.I was a communist,and i of course,disliked their focus on 19th century Russian authors who wrote about old Tzarist Russia.As the conversation went on,they asked my which author was my favorite.I said i like the 20th century Soviet authors,and they were surprised with my abrupt answer.As the conversation went on,some of them said that the Russian classics were much better than the 'party books of political pets' this made me angry,and i went on about all the Soviet authors,however,they simply changed the subject to the older Russian novelists,and i was on glass legs there.I read most of the classics,but when it came to the lesser known authors,i was not prepared to discuss about their works in detail.I mostly stayed out of the conversation after that.My point was proven,but i felt a big gap between their level of knowledge regarding the Russian literature of the 19th century,and mine.So i decided that i should read even the lesser known works,with attention.So i did.The next time we had a chat,i 'pushed' the subject back to literature again and pointed out the obvious problems with the older writers and their creative process.I felt it certainly helped my defense of the socialist-realist authors and their works,and it did.

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    I love the simple posters, does that style have a name?






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    Posters are not socialist realism, so Higgins post and so on are rather irrelevant. Fabian's post is irrelevant too.

    These are random examples of socialist realism (there's plenty of Soviet examples of socialist realism, but yeah):





    Here's the thing, it's meant to be realism, it doesn't have red guys smashing things or a gigantic Stalin or whatever. That's just poster propaganda.
    * h0m0revolutionary: "neo-liberalism can deliver healthy children, it can educate them, it can feed them, it can clothe them and leave them fully contented."
    * rooster: "Supporting [anti-imperialism] is reactionary. How is any nation supposed to stand up [to] the might of the US anyway?"
    * nizan: "Fuck your education is empowerment bullshit, education is alienation, nothing more. You indulge in a dying prestige for a role in a bureaucratic spectacle deserving of nothing beyond contempt."
    * Alexios: "To the Board Administration: Ismail [...] needs to be eliminated from this forum"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omsk View Post
    You people obviously haven't read much socialist-realist novels.
    Or maybe they just:

    a) don't like that kind of stuff;
    b) don't have a fetish for all things Soviet;
    c) both of the above.

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    Are you stupid or what? I know posters are not socialist realism, I asked if someone knows what style are they.

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    Examples of Soviet socialist realism: http://www.marxists.org/subject/art/...st-realism.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by fabian View Post
    Are you stupid or what? I know posters are not socialist realism, I asked if someone knows what style are they.
    I figured that in a thread about socialist realism, in which examples were given which weren't actually socialist realism, that you were assuming they were.
    * h0m0revolutionary: "neo-liberalism can deliver healthy children, it can educate them, it can feed them, it can clothe them and leave them fully contented."
    * rooster: "Supporting [anti-imperialism] is reactionary. How is any nation supposed to stand up [to] the might of the US anyway?"
    * nizan: "Fuck your education is empowerment bullshit, education is alienation, nothing more. You indulge in a dying prestige for a role in a bureaucratic spectacle deserving of nothing beyond contempt."
    * Alexios: "To the Board Administration: Ismail [...] needs to be eliminated from this forum"

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    Quote Originally Posted by corolla View Post
    I just threw up a little in my mouth.
    Hahahahaha,that's not funny.
    Is this resistance or a costume party?
    Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatzel View Post
    Or maybe they just:

    a) don't like that kind of stuff;
    b) don't have a fetish for all things Soviet;
    c) both of the above.
    Socialist-Realism has existed before the Soviet-Union
    Is this resistance or a costume party?
    Either way I think black with bandanas is a boring theme.

    fka Creep

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    What I really like about the art form is how it is manifested in sculpture. The dramatic lines and well defined bodies that speak of a lifetime of hard work. The intense stares that seem to suggest that nothing short of total working class ownership and rule will suffice. The large artworks that imply that the working class is nothing if not a single unified mass moving in one direction.
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