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    [FONT=Calibri]The student represents the rising democracy and the Quebec democracy is a dying one.[/FONT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by the zizekian View Post
    [FONT=Calibri]The student represents the rising democracy and the Quebec democracy is a dying one.[/FONT]
    Arise you slaves..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLeft View Post
    Arise you slaves..
    [FONT=Calibri]Yes, the aging wealthy will not be cared for by an enslaved youth.[/FONT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by the zizekian View Post
    [FONT=Calibri]Yes, the aging wealthy will not be cared for by an enslaved youth.[/FONT]
    Whatever you say Zizek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLeft View Post
    Whatever you say Zizek.
    [FONT=Calibri]Zizek has his place in universities and in governments.[/FONT]

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    Going to my college assembly tomorrow.
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    [FONT=Times New Roman]Quebec student group presents demands to end protests[/FONT]
    [FONT=Cambria]Rene Bruemmer and Kevin Dougherty, Postmedia News[/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri]Published: Thursday, May 03, 2012[/FONT]

    [FONT=Calibri]http://www2.canada.com/topics/news/n...tml?id=6560380[/FONT]
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    Quote Originally Posted by the zizekian View Post
    [FONT=Calibri]Such petty political calculus allows a government to buy time and to use the student’s conflict to hide its corruption. Meanwhile, the wealthy baby-boomers are aging and will vote to give the balance of power to the CAQ.[/FONT]
    http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/qu...bas-que-jamais

    http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/jean...b_1388140.html

    dont make me laugh, the CAQ got great rating when they kept their mouth shut.Since they started talking The right wing hate them beccause they are not has firm has the ADQ used to be and the leftist hate them has well for verry obvious reasons.

    I am not saying they cant get elected, but with a shit leader with no charisma, a shit political platform that nobody like and almost no financial backing it would be surprising to see those idiots came to be in a position of power.

    If anything the CAQ will divide the liberal electoral base wich is a good thing overall and will advantage the PQ.

    But anyway, Bourgeois elections suck and the PQ will eventually backstab the studients and the rest of Quebec populaton eventually.
    WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!

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    I love the CLASSE. While the other organisations try to make an agreement on the rise of tuition fees with the Minister of education, the CLASSE is presenting a plan to attain free education A rise of only 0,7% on banks profits would make a $2 billion income annually their leader says.

    Go Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois!!!


    The government will ignore that plan though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danyboy27 View Post
    http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/qu...bas-que-jamais

    http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/jean...b_1388140.html

    dont make me laugh, the CAQ got great rating when they kept their mouth shut.Since they started talking The right wing hate them beccause they are not has firm has the ADQ used to be and the leftist hate them has well for verry obvious reasons.

    I am not saying they cant get elected, but with a shit leader with no charisma, a shit political platform that nobody like and almost no financial backing it would be surprising to see those idiots came to be in a position of power.

    If anything the CAQ will divide the liberal electoral base wich is a good thing overall and will advantage the PQ.

    But anyway, Bourgeois elections suck and the PQ will eventually backstab the studients and the rest of Quebec populaton eventually.
    You admit yourself that your own petty analysis/predictions are going nowhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the zizekian View Post
    You admit yourself that your own petty analysis/predictions are going nowhere!
    No they are not ''going nowhere''.
    Has i said, the current studient anger toward the governement will probably be the charest governement demise next election.

    And has i also said earlier the social democrat (PQ) will probably stab the studient in the back one day.

    You have a verry natural talent to denounce other, but when its time to demonstrate how i am wrong all you do is to point out other things you dont like rather than actually have a serious discussion about it.
    WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danyboy27 View Post
    No they are not ''going nowhere''.
    Has i said, the current studient anger toward the governement will probably be the charest governement demise next election.

    And has i also said earlier the social democrat (PQ) will probably stab the studient in the back one day.

    You have a verry natural talent to denounce other, but when its time to demonstrate how i am wrong all you do is to point out other things you dont like rather than actually have a serious discussion about it.
    You are wrong by betting on the future, the time for the revolution is now.

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    [FONT=Times New Roman]Victoriaville protests injure 11 after clashes with police[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]By Monique Muise and Christopher Curtis, Postmedia News May 5, 2012 7:06 AM [/FONT]


    [FONT=Calibri]http://www.canada.com/news/injured+Q...978/story.html[/FONT]
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    Quote Originally Posted by the zizekian View Post
    [FONT=Times New Roman]Victoriaville protests injure 11 after clashes with police[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]By Monique Muise and Christopher Curtis, Postmedia News May 5, 2012 7:06 AM [/FONT]


    [FONT=Calibri]http://www.canada.com/news/injured+Q...978/story.html[/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][/FONT]
    On Facebook I heard 3 people in hospital with rubberbullet head wounds, one of them a 20 year old student who is in a coma, he for sure lost an eye and maybe never will wake up again...
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    ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD... The results are............. WE WON!

    Government won't stop the raise of tuition fees, but agreed to disminish "Afferent Fees" by the same amount the tuition fees will raise. So, students won't pay more. Let's hope the government and universities will respect that agreement. Let's hope.


    Tuition fees : + $250/year
    Afferent Fees : - $250/year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virgin Molotov Cocktail View Post
    I saw that awful "No! It's a boycott!" bullshit pop up again in this thread, so Ima repost this sweet pamphlet. <3

    YES, THIS IS A STRIKE.
    On the picket lines, I’ve heard the same numb recitation of “This isn’t even a strike, it’s a boycott!” repeated like a mantra, absolving one of responsibility for crossing a picket line. It seems as though disparagingly few students have taken the time to critically assess the assumptions underlying this discourse – speaking to a sad state of affairs in the university more generally. A boycott concerns consumption, and a strike production; consequently these readings represent opposing understandings of not only students and the university, but of knowledge itself.

    To refer to a boycott, essentially, is to refer to students as consumers, and knowledge as a commodity that is passively consumed as a finished product. Within the idea of the boycott is the assumption that the student exchanges their tuition for a fixed body of knowledge, which is then their property.

    Ironically, this runs counter to the idea, oft referred to by the same academic hacks, that university is an “investment” in knowledge-capital. For knowledge to produce value, as capital, it must be acted upon by labour – it must pass from its abstract existence and be transformed qualitatively. This process, for obvious reasons, is directly dependent on the concrete work of the student. In the course of their studies, students create a body of usable knowledge and social capital from which the university profits – when students stop going to class, this transformation of knowledge is interrupted. In other words, yes, it is a strike.

    Disturbingly, foundational to all of this is the notion that knowledge exists, fundamentally, within the logic of the marketplace. It is implicit that knowledge serves first and foremost, a role within the reproduction of capital. While free market fundamentalists might argue that the interests of capital serve the greatest possible good, one might hope that university students are not so intellectually stunted. In any case, a little bit of thought should reveal the obvious, that knowledge is not a fixed quantity, and does not diminish when it is shared. On the contrary, knowledge tends toward the common, increasing as it is passed between us. In fact, it is only because of this that the university as a site of social production is even possible.

    Tuition hikes mean a further erosion of this commons, an increasing commodification of knowledge, its increasing transformation into capital, and its increasing monopolization by the capitalist class. It is with the student strike, the disruption of this process, that we stand to reappropriate knowledge by and for the commons. What is at stake in tuition hikes is not only the exclusion of particular individuals from the university – it is a battle in the larger context of “austerity” wherein the capitalist Moloch, having inevitably run up against the limits of capital accumulation elsewhere, is now turning on us to fuel its fires. As workers rise up and strike across the world, students’ actions here are contextualized by global struggle. Boycott? No. A strike, as in, “striking a blow”. In case it wasn’t obvious . . .

    YES, THIS IS CLASS WAR.


    Many people are hesitant to admit it, but what's the major driving factor behind pursuing "higher education"? Universities don't "give" knowledge for knowledge's sake. They may foster learning, but if that was all they did, people would just leave school whenever they "had their fill". But that's not what people do.

    What do you do when you are finished with school? You graduate. What does graduation signify? That you've learned a quantitatively acceptable amount? No, graduation signifies that you are now in possession of a very valuable commodity: a degree.

    Knowledge contains no marketplace value, but a degree does. There's no "increasing commodification of knowledge", knowledge was commodified the second a system was introduced that quantifies it. Do tuition hikes result in restricted access to learning? Yes. But they don't result in increased commodification.

    Of course, knowledge is not a tangible thing, but a degree is recognized in the marketplace as a signifier of knowledge, and degrees are what universities provide in exchange for payment. Given that a degree is a commodity, how then is widespread refusal to pursue one not a boycott?

    There are two contentions here:
    1. Increasingly restricted access to a commodity
    2. Increasingly restricted access to the resources necessary for learning


    In short, this is both a strike and a boycott.
    You seem neat, but...

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    Medias are constantly bashing the Black Bloc...And what about the cops beating the shit out of students? Nope! They rarely even speak about them. Except on better media stations like Radio-Canada (RDI)

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    The deal looks like it will maintain the status quo at present, and then maybe have increases pushed after? Can any of the sisters or brothers in Quebec explain?

    From the CBC :
    The Quebec government had offered weeks earlier to roll out tuition hikes over seven years instead of five. Under the latest deal, the students will get at least a temporary tuition freeze for now.

    Any tuition hikes would have to wait until the completion of a review by a proposed universities committee to help deal with financial management concerns. That report is due to be completed in December.

    But it's the hope of the students that potential cost savings identified by the committee would help offset the tuition increases.
    Is there a plan to rock bureaucrats?

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    [FONT=Times New Roman]Quebec raises tuition, but students won’t pay more in tentative deal [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]RHÉAL SÉGUIN [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]QUEBEC CITY— Globe and Mail Update [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]Last updated Sunday, May. 06, 2012 8:59AM[/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman]"The increase in tuition will be offset by an equal reduction in other fees students are typically charged. Students currently pay an average of $800 in annual university surcharges, which usually fund non-academic activities and various student services."[/FONT]


    [FONT=Calibri]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-raises-tuition-but-students-wont-pay-more-in-tentative-deal/article2424035/[/FONT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by the zizekian View Post
    [FONT=Times New Roman]Quebec raises tuition, but students won’t pay more in tentative deal [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]RHÉAL SÉGUIN [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]QUEBEC CITY— Globe and Mail Update [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]Last updated Sunday, May. 06, 2012 8:59AM[/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman]"The increase in tuition will be offset by an equal reduction in other fees students are typically charged. Students currently pay an average of $800 in annual university surcharges, which usually fund non-academic activities and various student services."[/FONT]


    [FONT=Calibri]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2424035/[/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri]The existing surcharge is not large enough to offset the planned tuitions hike.[/FONT]

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