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    Default Do working class men benefit from patriarchy in any way?

    If so, how?

    inspired by a few posts that were made in this forum a few days ago (can't remember what thread though).
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    most men don't benefit from it.
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    Arguably, men of all classes did benefit from patriarchy.

    I feel to better frame this question would be to ask in what specific unique way did working-class men benefit or were effected from this arrangement that differed from men of other classes or did not benefit/effect much men of other classes.

    I myself wouldn't know much about it (thus why I'm also interested in hearing what other more informed comrades may say) and I might be wrong...but I can guess one thing is that patriarchal gender role of women as housewife/homemaker which barred women from entering the work-force would benefit them in the sense that they wouldn't be competing with women in the labor market under a capitalist society. Already I read articles about how women entering the workforce and in certain work/income/classes tend to be more employed than men has caused tensions among patriarchal-minded males towards women.
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    Yes, male privilege exists. Is this question for real, am I missing something?
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    what are the specific benefits?

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    No, I dont think working class men benefit from the oppression of women, it affects them negatively, hence why it is in their interests to fight against it. I think the whole idea of 'male privilege' is liberal nonsense.

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    In 2007, women’s earnings were lower than men's earnings in all states and the District of Columbia according to the Income, Earnings, and Poverty Data From the 2007 American Community Survey by the Census Bureau. The national female-to-male earnings ratio was 77.5 %
    According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which includes crimes that were not reported to the police, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted in 2006.
    According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.[20] 1 of 6 U.S. women and 1 of 33 U.S. men have experienced an attempted or completed rape.
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    Um, no one is disputing that the oppression of women exists. The question is whether working class men benefit from it.

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    so men benefit from patriarchy kind of in the same way that people who don't live in a cage benefit from not living in a cage?

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    That is an example of male privilege..

    If that's the case then is there female privilege? Sure, workplace incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLeft View Post
    That is an example of male privilege..

    Is there female privilege? Sure, workplace incidents.
    What

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    Personally, I'm dis-inclined to think that working-class men are "negatively effected" by sexism and/or don't benefit from them. But I want to see examples, evidence, etc arguing both sides and no one has yet put out specific ones (although I see cmoney has put out stats on sexist actions, but the ones about sexual assualt are not specific to working class men and the one about being less paid has more to do with employer's perspective of women rather than working class men's perspective/reaction/etc to working-class women).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9 View Post
    What
    Women are less likely to die from a workplace related injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLeft View Post
    Women are less likely to die from a workplace related injury.
    Yes, what a tremendous privilege.

    Ugh, revleft. Why even bother, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLeft View Post
    Women are less likely to die from a workplace related injury.
    I thought you were talking about sexual harassment and was like what the fuck is he talking about

    and once again, the "privledge" provided is the same as calling someone who doesn't live in a cage privledged for not living in a cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoney View Post
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    I don't really see how working class men benefit from women being raped

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeekloid View Post
    I thought you were talking about sexual harassment and was like what the fuck is he talking about

    and once again, the "privledge" provided is the same as calling someone who doesn't live in a cage privledged for not living in a cage.
    I am saying that if that is male privilege then the example I used is female privilege.

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    As a transwoman, I've lived in this society both as someone perceived as a man and as a woman, and my experience is that male privilege is very real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLeft View Post
    I am saying that if that is male privilege then the example I used is female privilege.
    well rape happens a lot more than serious workplace injury so you didn't do a very good job demonstrating that tbh.

    women do get it in the shits more than men. it's just ridiculous to call that privledge.

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    Anyway, the fact that working class women are overwhelmingly employed in the lowest paid, most precarious jobs, are denied easy access to abortion, are forced to raise children on their own, at their own expense, does not benefit working class men at all, it makes life more difficult for them.

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