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    This is why usually women are the first ones to rebel against the feudal state of India.

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    [/FONT]India: 3500-yrs of massacres of Dalit-Sudra Blacks by Arya-Brahmins


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    History is usually written by the victors. The Dalits have not had a voice for thousands of years. The Dalit discrimination has to be aired by all peace loving people on the planet. Many Dalits believe that the discrimination perpetuated against them for centureis is based on thier ethnicity and the color of their skin. Dalit leaders have proposed that their status in the Hindu caste system is based on their Dravidian roots. Dalits leaders are openly calling for the mass conversion of the 150 million Dalits to Islam which would offer them equality. The Hinduvata reaction to the conversion of Dalits is ferocious and violent. The poor penury stricken Dalits must remain in bondage for perpetuity! [/FONT]
    [FONT=verdana]This article lists the atrocities against the Dalits. Rape and murder have been institutionalized. 3 to 6 million women have been raped for being Dalit. 3 million Dalits have been killed for being Dalit. Indian secularism has not touched the 150-250 million Dalits or the 150 million Muslims.[/FONT]

    • [FONT=verdana]More than 60 per cent of Dalits are landless. Over 40 million of them are bonded labourers. Dalits are the worst victims of labour coercion[/FONT]
    • [FONT=verdana]“The 1991 Government survey of India states that on an average day, two Dalits are killed, three Dalit women are raped, two Dalits’ houses are burned and fifty Dalits are assaulted by people of a higher caste.”[/FONT]
    • [FONT=verdana]” High-caste Brahmins formed a private army, the Ranvir Sena, to stop communists from encouraging Dalit field workers to demand higher wages “[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Verdana]Amnesty International lists 300 million abused Indians & Kashmiris, Naxalites. [/FONT]
    • [FONT=Verdana]“India is being ruled by castes, not laws”-Indian state machinery supports License to kill Dalits. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Amnesty Int 2008 report excoriates Horrid “India”[/FONT]

    [FONT=verdana]The Recent History of Brahmin Massacres of Dalit Blacks[/FONT]

    Mass Murder of Dalits : Ethnic Cleansing in South Asia
    An Account of the 3500-Year Arya-Sudra Race War During the Last 10 Years
    “Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin.”[ Rig Veda I.130.8 ]
    A history of massacres by Venkitesh Ramakrishnan Frontline Vol. 16, ( Feb. 27 – Mar. 12, 1999 ) No. 05 For immediate release May 1, 2007, Posted on: May 2, 2007
    This bigoted genocide contineus in 2008. Here are a few stories of the actual genocide for the past 20 years
    ” The black skin, the hated of Indra, were swept out of heaven “[ Rig Veda IX.73.5 ]
    “… The religion based on caste system has annihilated millions of Dalits over the centuries. About three million Dalit women have been raped and around one million Dalits killed from the time of Independence. This is 25 times more than number of soldiers killed during the wars fought after independence. That is why Dalits do not need Aryan culture or Hindu Dharma based on caste any more. …” [Dr. Tulsiram]
    MUCH blood has been spilt in Bihar in caste violence over the past three decades. Between the first reported caste-based massacre, at Rupaspur Chandwa in Purnea district in 1971, and the latest bloodbath, at Narayanpur village in Jehanabad district on February 10, there were 59 recorded instances of mass murders, in which about 600 people were killed. The majority of these were directed at Dalits and were carried out by the private armies of the upper castes, such as the Ranvir Sena, the Bhoomi Sena, the Brahmarshi Sena, the Sunlight Sena and the Savarna Liberation Army. The Dalechak-Bagholia killings of 1987 and the Bara carnage of 1992 were perpetrated by a naxalite group, the Marxist Coordination Committee (MCC).
    Killing of a woman, a Shudra or an atheist is not sinful. Woman is an embodiment of the worst desires, hatred, deceit, jealousy and bad character. Women should never be given freedom.” Bhagvad Gita (Manu IX. 17 and V. 47, 147)”
    Similarly another holy script of Hindu religious book preaches looking down upon women by terming a woman equal to a dog, crow and shudra (a low cast poor Hindu who has no rights in Hindu society).
    “And whilst not coming into contact with Sudras and remains of food; for this Gharma is he that shines yonder, and he is excellence, truth, and light; but woman, the Sudra, the dog, and the black bird (the crow), are untruth: he should not look at these, lest he should mingle excellence and sin, light and darkness, truth and untruth.” – Satapatha Brahmana 14:1:1:31.
    According to Oliver Mendelsohn and Marika Vicziany, authors of The Untouchables: Subordination, Poverty and the State in Modern India, a comprehensive account of the phenomenon of untouchability, the caste-based massacres are brutal manifestations of the “violent and primordial casteism” that has overtaken Bihar. The authors point out that although the naxalite movement is by and large dedicated to and partly composed of Dalits, it is sometimes referred to as caste politics in the guise of radical political activity.
    According to government statistics, instances of atrocities against Dalits rose dramatically after 1977, the period when the political identity of the backward castes of the State found assertive expression in the elevation of Karpoori Thakur, a leader from a backward caste, as Chief Minister. Similarly, there has been an upsurge in atrocities against Dalits between 1989 and 1999, the period which coincided with the chief ministership of Laloo Prasad Yadav and, lately, his wife Rabri Devi.
    Stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin.”[ Rig Veda IX.73.5 ]
    One explanation for this is that the upper castes, who had political, social and administrative supremacy during much of Bihar’s recent political history, were responding to the elevation of leaders from backward castes to political power by stepping up attacks against lower-caste populations. Another explanation is that the governments of Karpoori Thakur and Laloo Prasad Yadav were lax in controlling the upper-caste private armies.
    Irrespective of the level of accuracy of analyses such as these, the fact remains that the number of attacks against Dalits and other lower-caste people has gone up every time a backward caste leader rose to power. The period between 1990 and 1999 witnessed 35 instances of caste-based massacres, the total number of victims being about 400. More than 350 of those killed were from among the lower castes.[ ill. - At Lakshmanpur-Bathe on December 1, 1997, when 63 persons were killed in an attack by the Ranvir Sena. ]

    The Ranvir Sena, which has been active since 1994, is one of the most dreaded private armies in the history of the State. According to informal estimates, the Ranvir Sena, which was formed by the partial or complete merger of upper-caste private armies such as the Savarna Liberation Army and the Sunlight Sena, has killed at least 200 Dalits in the last five years. Ranvir Sena leaders boast that at least 125 of these killings were carried out after July 1995, when the group was banned by the Bihar Government. As the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Liberation has pointed out repeatedly, the ban existed only on paper.
    In addition to organised massacres of the residents of entire Dalit villages, the private armies practise unlawful and dehumanising programmes aimed at insulting members of the lower castes and preventing their rise in society. The Savarna Liberation Army’s “mass rape” campaign, conducted between March and July 1992 in Gaya and Jehanabad districts, was one of the most heinous among these. More than 200 Dalit women between the ages of six and 70 were raped by a group of activists of the Savarna Liberation Army. Each of these incidents was given publicity by the perpetrators of the crime.
    The Aryans enforced the caste system on the Black population (the original inhabitants of India), with a cold-blooded racist logic with [w]hites on the top, mixed races in the middle and the mass of the conquered Blacks at the bottom. Rajshekar, `Dalit: The Black Untouchables of India’, p.44.
    Ranvir Sena leaders claim that the operation was intended to avenge the killing of 34 Bhumihar landlords at Bara by the Maoist Coordination Centre (MCC). It was a “lesson” to the Dalits, that if they tried to take on the landlords the women of their communities would be humiliated. Ranvir Sena activists claim with a macabre sense of glee that the operation was “very effective”. The stigma attached to rape victims is such that the operation broke the morale of Dalits of many villages.
    Given the prevailing socio-political climate in Bihar, the Senas operate with impunity, justifying their presence with the cycle of retaliatory violence spawned by naxalite groups. Sociologists have pointed out that resort to measures that merely address the violence as a law-and-order problem will not be enough to smash these Senas. Such steps, they say, have to be coupled with bold and far-reaching measures such as land reforms, which address the fundamental problem of economic exploitation and social discrimination of landless agricultural labourers from among the Scheduled Castes by upper-caste feudal landowners. “ Author : Venkitesh Ramakrishnan,
    Design : Krishna Rao, Dalitstan Journal, Volume 1, Issue 2 (Oct. 1999)

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    The most dynamite article till date, read it 3500 yrs of history..

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    DALIT DISCRIMINATION IN ARTS CULTURE MUSIC SPORTS;
    ARMY AND OTHER FORCES IN UNIFORM*

    India is basically, a too bad Nation. And what is worse, it has an intolerant Society. It only tolerates Injustices and Dalit Exploitations. It is thus in many respects, extremely unreasonable unfair and unjust Nation. It does not even give the victims; any space and room to turnaround think or respond. Worst victims, amongst all in the Country, are no doubt SC&ST Dalits.

    The SC&ST Dalits, have been not only discriminated, but harassed and criminally victimised in all forms of crude violences, but are also subjected to unimaginable atrocities exploitations oppressions and suppressions. What totally unbearable is that, the Dalits are not at all allowed to respond and react. They are forced to accept the Atrocities, as due and destined right punishments. Often, they are invariably not allowed to even cry in pain. They are definitely not permitted to protest, or say anything.

    There had always been, in protest, lots of Dalits’ Poetry, composed and written in silence; and many sayings written in private. Imagine their ingenuity, in composing all those Classic Protest Songs and Sayings, often as forms of Folklore or even Prayers to their own small gods and goddesses in the Villages and Slums. One has to only refer to the great work, Grama Devathalu, that means Village Deities, by the once famous fire-band Sidharamaiah, of Bangalore University, Karnataka, who later became a Member of the Karnataka Legislative Council. He was appointed directly into Bangalore University, and also made then a MLC, only to purchase and silence him, as well as Temper-Down, Cool Him and Mellow-Down his Fiery Writings and Speeches.

    The Indian Society is always on the lookout, to grab and take away what are others; be they the animals fodder food homes land wealth women and girls, especially the charmingly beautiful young and well built ones. And now, the Indian Society is after the well educated and better placed SC&ST Dalit Grooms earning a lot. Such Boys and prospective Grooms are poached and trapped, for the poor relatively not so good looking, even ugly and spoilt, not so much educated girls and unmarried women or the widows, from poor dominant caste families. That, especially for those, who are not in a position to afford to spend or pay to marry them off, with their heavy huge dowry, or the conventional prices offered by brides’ parents and family and the associated big gifts.

    As better prospective educated well-employed, better-earning SC&ST Boys and Grooms are lost to the cheap girls and women of the dominant caste hindus. Thus, SC&ST Dalits loose, many likely good grooms for their girls, whom generally none else marry to live with, unless the girl herself is highly educated, better employed and earning a lot, or is extremely good looking beautiful and very charming. Otherwise in many cases, SC&ST Girls who are picked up for marriage by the dominant caste hindus, referred to generally as DCHs, are dropped when their charm wanes. It is, invariably sooner than later, in a matter of some months or a few years. Even otherwise, the life of such SC&ST Girls and Women, are too miserable to narrate.

    DALIT DISCRIMINATION IN ARTS CULTURE MUSIC SPORTS;
    ARMY AND OTHER UNIFORMED SERVICES

    ARTS

    The SCs&STs as Native People bonded to the Earth, associated with Land and Soil, and tied to Nature, excel in Arts, both Performing Arts and Fine Arts. But SCs&STs are always denigrated for their Arts and Culture, as cheap ones of the Primitive People, Tribal Dances and Arts, or some Folk Songs, Rural Music, Jungle Dances, Village Arts, and thus neglected and trashed. Or they are crudely taken around to perform, and are displayed and exhibited in the Main Thoroughfares, Stages and in some Platforms of Delhi during the Republic Days. Sometimes, they are asked to Dance and Entertain, Visiting Dignitaries to please and honour them. But on the other hand, the brahmins and dominant caste hindus, who silently copy some of the SC&ST Dongs Music Dance and other Performances, are allowed to go around the whole Country, or sponsored or taken around the whole World in Phases, for performing always before some elite audiences at special venues and Theatres, for a big fee, consideration and huge returns.

    The brahmins are thus, made to go abroad jet-setting and hoping all-around the World as Cultural Ambassadors, and Great Musicians and Artists of this Country.

    Many of the Cultural Exchange Programmes and MOUs being signed during the Visit of Foreign Dignitaries; and those inked by the Indian President or PM and others Visits with the Heads of other Countries, are fully utilised by those jet-set dominant caste hindu cultural ambassadors.

    Performing Arts

    There have been many eminent, well-known and most Popular SCs&STs in the spheres of Performing Arts. Particularly in the Fields of Drama and Stage, Cinema, and TV.

    Cinema

    There were many SC&ST Heroes, Heroines, Comedians, Jokers, Entertainers, Villains etc in the Cinemas. The famous Tamil Comedian, NS Krishnan of Madras, is the most eminent amongst them all. He was followed by many, till the brahmins had entered; usurped the scene completely by many respects.

    Dance

    There were a few SC&ST Popular Dancers. They had all soon vanished in thin Air and been Forgotten.

    Fine Arts

    There had been many eminent World-Class Practitioners, Teachers and Principles of the Schools and Colleges of Fine Arts. They were really so many Painters, Sculptors etc, right from the eminent Ram Kinker Bhoj, almost the most famous of them all, from Shanti-Niketan, West Bengal.

    ARMY

    Not much of a Study hand been made about, Dalit Discriminations in Arts Culture Music Sports; and in Army and other Uniformed Services, except for some quite old work by a Japanese Scholar in Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi. That was, sometime during the early eighties.

    Lots of empirical studies, collected information, buried texts, individual knowledge and accounts, about such discriminations and negligence are available scattered around the Country and Abroad. They may be available, with a few concerned and interested Individuals.
    In fact the website – dalitindia.com – did compile some data sometime back and posted it, with the expectation that there could be lots of other inputs by many SCs&STs. But sadly those expectations, as usual were belied.

    SPORTS

    Games and Sports, generally keep the poor and all the underprivileged busy happy and engaged. Thus, Sports being poor peoples’ big entertainment or their business, it is natural to expect the poorest of the poor, the SC&ST Dalits in large numbers in many Sports Teams all over the Country. But sadly again, we can hardly see any SCs&STs being eulogised or promoted in the Country. It is not that, the SCs&STs are not playing or are not in the teams. There are good many. But when it comes to selecting the School Team, choosing the College Team or making the University Team, or Representing the District, Region, State, Zone or the Nation, the SCs&STs are a strict No No No.

    The SCs&STs were, and even now are invariably sidelined. And, they are often forced to sit-down and be just the spectators. Otherwise they are made to sit in the benches as Reserves even if included in the Teams, or dropped at the first opportunity, even if by chance they have played, to show their talents, and proved that they can play well to win. There are too many such sad stories here.

    The extent of corruption favouritism nepotism and demand for sex and sexual favours while making selections, forming teams, and choosing the Players in any Match, is too well-known here.

    Tennis

    One may recall during the US Presidential Election of Jimmy Carter, there was a sort of negative Campaign ABC – Anybody But Carter. Also in the Tennis World, there was once the famous three – the ABC that stood for the Promising Young Players in the International Circuit – Vijay Amrithraj from India, Bjorn Borg of Sweden, and the American Jimmy Connors. The last two went on, truly as expected, to become the Tennis Greats. Vijay Amrithraj, matched surpassed and dominated Tennis, only in India, though he played great Tennis, even in International Circuits.

    In the International Circuit, Vijay Amrithraj, often faltered and failed. Partly the blame rests at the doors of Govt of India, its Sports Ministry, and the Indian Tennis Federations, all of which saw to it that, Vijay Amrithraj was humiliated discriminated. He was criticised at the slightest opportunity, along with his elder brother Anand Amrithraj, himself a great Tennis Player. All the above, were all just to pull down Vijay Amrithraj, as the brahmins of this Country could not digest and tolerate the sight of a black, the utterly Coal Dark Boy, that too a SC with his Brothers dominating, the highly paying glamorous World of Tennis, in this Country and as well as Abroad. Those in spite of his great game and contributions to Indian Tennis, including starting Amritraj-Brittania Tennis Academy at Madras, which had produced the next generation of Tennis Greats like Leander Paes for India.

    The brahmins here could also not bear the fact that, it was only the Vijay Amrithraj’s elder brother Anand Amrithraj, who first became the Indian National Tennis Champion, by dethroning the then No 1 Tennis Player, Ramanathan Krishnan of Madras, the blue eyed boy of Govts, and a darling of the brahmins, as he himself was a brahmin from Tamil Nadu. Then came Vijay Amrithraj, to rule the roost; likely to be followed then by, his younger sibling Ashok Amrithraj. All these, naturally upset the brahmin Psyche, especially when the Amrithrajs were Tamil Christian SC Dalits, originating from the Kolar Gold Fields in the then Mysore State, which was the Nursery of SC Dalit Developments and Growth. Hence, the brahmins then in power and position, conspired in many ways, not to allow Vijay Amrithraj Progress, and also completely block his younger Brother from Playing for the Nation, in the most important and popular Davis Cup Matches.

    The brahmins did everything they could do in the rule books, to effectively sabotage everywhere Vijay Amrithraj. The brahmins also completely blocked and marginalised his younger brother Ashok Amrithraj. They brahmins also tried their best, and worked very hard to somehow replace Vijay Amrithraj himself, though he had often given his heart out, and played with all his capacity energy might to win Matches for the Nation.

    Vijay Amrithraj’s Game was in many ways legendary, especially in Davis Cup Clashes, against big teams of big Sporting Nations playing Tennis for Ages. Recorded Tennis History of those days shows that, Vijay Amrithraj and his elder brother Anand Amrithraj, playing Singles, Doubles and Reverse Singles, nearly came up once to win the Davis Cup for the Country. But, they were forced by the GoI to Concede the Matches and Title, due to India’s International Politics. That is now almost forgotten.

    These are only a few examples of brahmin conspiracy and on going sabotage in the Country. These are only the tip of ice-berg. The Truth stinks here.

    National Game of Hockey

    In the National Game of Hockey, many SC and ST Players like the great Manuel, Peter; Topno Brothers and Tirkey had played for the Nation. But, they were never really honoured, or are being remembered ever. Many of them, spent their post-hockey days, sadly in total misery and utter poverty, and only died as Paupers.

    Foot-Ball

    Similar is the case, in the most popular game of Football. SC&ST Players like the then Mysore and East-Bengal Teams’ Damodharan or Damu, were there playing for India. They were never encouraged or promoted, like the few brahmin players or the others from the dominant caste hindu communities.

    Cricket

    Cricket which has now become a street game, had seen many SCs&STs. Some of them were great outstanding players, at times even much better than the highly promoted Tendulkar. But they were all, cleverly rather cunningly, eliminated repeatedly and almost very openly though silently.

    Table Tennis

    Table Tennis is the most Populous Game amongst Children. Many great SC&ST Players were there; who were all systematically sidelined marginalised and eliminated; almost to a plan by the brahmins and dominant caste hindus.

    Billiards and Snooker

    There were a number of great SC Players in Billiards and Snooker, especially from Bangalore and Mysore, who had made the National Grade. Where they went, and where they are now, no body knows.

    Field and Track Events

    In the Field and Track Events, there were many individuals, who had blazed through the Stadiums in their heydays, hardly to be recognised and awarded.

    One can not forget the Golden Girl, Miss Vanajakshi of Mount Carmel College, Bangalore. She was a great SC Girl, in the Field and Track Events. Seeing her records and performances, the then Mysore Division of Southern Railway picked her up. Because of her Record-Breaking contributions to the Mysore Division, she was transferred to the HQrs Office of Southern Railway at Madras, to favour and benefit the Madras Division, in getting Divisional and Inter-Divisional Sports Meet Championships; the Team and Individual Championships, for Madras and the Madras Division.

    Miss Vanajakshi, was an Outstanding Sports Woman, a Champion excelling in almost all Field and Track Events, particularly in the 100 and 200 metres Races, Long Jump and High Jump. She was a very sophisticated and too stylish Sports Woman in the Stadium; was a treat for the eyes to watch, for style and track-suits which were then rarely used. Not only was she always Individual Woman Champion, but she held the All-India Record in her most Favourite event of High Jump, more than a Decade.

    These are forgotten facts, remembered by only a few. In an All India Railway Function, to honour outstanding Sports Men and Women past and then of the Railways, by the then Railway Minister, Mr Ram Vilas Paswan in 1996-97, Railways could not even locate and invite Miss Vanajakshi to Delhi, even when specifically told to. Yes, to that extent great SC&ST Athletes are neglected by the Officials Universities Banks PSUs Departments Ministries and Govts everywhere, be it in the Union Territories, States and at the Centre.

    MUSIC

    Music is no doubt, the most memorable heartfelt vibrant and visible of Performing Art, that touches captivates and captures the heart mind nerves imagination body and soul. Since it is practically inborn, and intrinsic with every living species, it has been taken for separate discussion here, from all others Arts.

    Music it is said is in the blood bones minds and steps of the People, who live in close proximity with Nature. Then, there is no wonder that the SC&ST Dalits, as the true Children of the Earth, bound to their Lands and thus integral with Nature, are born as Singers and Dancers. Truly, it is so.

    It is also, said well here that –

    Without Beats there are No Rhythms,
    Without Rhythm there can be No Ragas,
    Without Ragas there can never be any Songs,
    Without Beats and Songs there can be No Steps;

    Without Drums there can be No Beats,
    Without Leather there can’t be any Drums,
    Without Skin or Skinners, there can be No Leather,
    Without Leather, traditionally there can’t be any Drums;

    Without Dalits there can be No Leather,
    Without the Dalits, there is No Leather, No Drums,
    Without Dalits, No Body can even Play Drums for Beats,
    Without these there can be No Songs, No Music, so No Dances.

    But SCs&STs were and still are, carefully kept out of all the Prominent, Paying, Professional Music Performances.

    Honestly Speaking – Singing and Dancing were not only relegated to the backgrounds, actually they were so condemned, to be the avocations of street singers, street dancers, beggars or prostitutes. It was and still is, being said everywhere amongst the People that, those who sing or dance, do so only for a cheap living, or their unending carnal pleasures. So the brahmins confined them, to certain lowly Backward Classes, Christians, Muslims. That it is said, till the brahmins realised that there are lots of money in these activities. And also that they can be used to influence and trap the rich people, large traders, senior officials, big governors, and even mighty rulers. So the brahmins, learned and adopted the art of singing and music, as part of their culture growing up and main habit. That, to practice in privacy for the pleasures of the great powerful people, and gain access to their rich private places and individual chambers, to gain very immensely and wield big influences, for their own individual growth comforts, and for the benefits of their families. These, they do even today.

    All the above do not mean that, the brahmins learnt their music and dances only recently, as they want the common people here to believe. No, that is not true. Many brahmins, especially those nearer the rulers, always practiced and showed their skills in dancing and singing in exclusive privacy to the kings and princes in the palaces. Thus they were always preying on the ruling families.

    The brahmins, with professional training practice and opportunities, given to them in an organised way, by themselves have come to monopolise stage performances, drama, cinema, radio and TV. On the contrary, as studying youngsters with an open mind, especially the SCs&STs were attracted by English and other Western Songs by Abba, Beetles, Bony M, Jim Reeves etc. Upset by the digression and diversion of attention of many of the educated youth, the brahmins first tried to restrict, or even ban all English Music from being broadcast in the All India Radio, especially in the primetime. They in fact denigrated English Music and Songs, and looked down and insulted all those who were attracted to English and English Music.

    When the brahmins could not stop the educated youth, they encouraged many brahmins, especially their own educated people – the brahmin Professionals working in the Metros. They asked them to Compose and Play small Notes set to Western Music in Radio as a hobby to start with, at least for business and commercial Advertisements, of small and big firms on good payments, to promote their products amongst the educated youth who loved English Music. Then, they suddenly discovered, a Madras Tamil brahmin woman, singing in the Clubs and some Star Hotels of Bombay and Calcutta. The brahmins, naturally latched themselves quickly on to that brahmin singer, and promoted her high up up, sky high, fully using prominently her brahmin title Iyer attached with her name, till the day she divorced her husband, dropped down even her caste title Iyer, on marrying some rich North Indian. Immediately, they dropped her Sir-Name, and now allow her to perform, only with her maiden name; and not with her new North Indian Husband’s Name. So parochial and calculated are the brahmins, for dominance and gain control over the society. And also absorb money riches and wealth like big dangerous leaches.

    With great struggles and against lots of Oppositions and Criticisms, one Mr Illaya Raja, suddenly appeared on the Southern Music World. He started composing Music for the Tamil Cinema, and scored many great big Hits. He had done, so wonderfully well that, he began to dominate the Tamil Cinema etc. He was, very uncomfortably for the till then dominating and monopolistic brahmins, a SC Dalit. The brahmins tried, all best tricks and their known games to undermine sideline put down and marginalise Mr Illaya Raja. And for that, the brahmins and their senior officials, even banned some of his best great hit Numbers, like Paartheylla Ingey, Kettaelley Angey that in the crude ungrammatical brahmanic Tamil Dialect, most extensively used by the brahmins all over Tamil Nadu, meant Have you Seen Here, when you had Asked There, from being Aired from any of the Radio Stations in Tamil Nadu. For, then all the Radio Stations were then practically under their total control. Then there was only the AIR – All India Radio. But what was ridiculous, the same song in Kanada and Telugu Languages, as the Film was dubbed in those Languages, were broadcast from AIR Stations in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, very regularly being the most popular and successful song with too great a hit music. And the Song in Tamil came on the air, only from the Tamil Programmes of the Commercial Broadcasting of Radio Ceylon.

    Every brahmin tried their best, to promote many others, in Tamil Music, Tamil Cinema, as an alternate to Mr Illaya Raja, but all of them miserably failed. Then, suddenly realising that SCs&STs are born singers and dancers, they promoted a SC to Sing and also set scores for Tamil Cinema Songs. And when that SC Musician gained some popularity, they brought him over All India Radio and TV, and arranged an Interview. During the course of that live Interview, they asked him, ‘what you think about the Music and Capabilities of Mr Illaya Raja?’ That poor SC fellow said, ‘Mr Illaya Raja is really an Ocean, and before him I am only a small petty well, or at the most a small pond.’ May be, he only spoke the truth, or what he knew or actually felt. But the brahmins, Cheesed-Off dumped him abruptly since then, as they expected that he would criticise, and rubbish the great Music Maestro Mr Illaya Raja. The brahmins, without loosing their hearts went about seriously searching and promoting many others, to finally putdown the great Tamil Musician Mr Illaya Raja.

    The brahmins could never putdown Mr Illaya Raja, and he grew by leaps and bounds. Now his brothers and their children, and Mr Illaya Raja’s own son are setting Music to Tamil Cinemas. And thereafter, Mr Illaya Raja, was once invited for Composing Music, by the London Philomenic Orchestra. It is reported that he did it so fast and quickly, almost in no time. But, none was there, Nobody from the Central Govt, Nobody from the State Govts, not even any Representative of the Tamil Nadu Govt, and No Representative from the Tamil Cinema to Receive and Honour him when he Landed in Bombay on his Return from that Trip to London. That was the greatest Insult they heaped on him. And only an handful of News Papers and Magazines Published that Story and very few Criticised the Govts and the Cine World then or later.

    The brahmins search to find an alternative to Mr Illaya Raja, ultimately appears to have ended, on finding the popular Musician AR Raguman. In spite of, many big successes, he still could not replace Mr Illaya Raja in the Southern Films. Now Illaya Raja is really an Industry, a Music House, with a Music Family. Almost, all his Siblings and Children are in the Music World. His consent, appears to Signal sure Success and Box-Office Hit, of many Cinemas. So, he and his family, are in great demand to set Music for many Tamil Cinemas, to ensure their Success.

    Instrumental Music

    There were and are lots of Instrumental Musicians from SC&ST Families, especially in Violin and Drums.

    Thappu

    Thappu is simple leather Drum, held in one hand and played with the other, or hung around the neck and pressed on to the belly with one hand, and played by beating the leather with another hand, or with a stick in the other hand, or two sticks in both hands, for the Street Music and Dances. Because of its simplicity, it became a fine and fantastic popular Musical Instrument, in the skilled imaginative hands of indigenous SC Dalits. But, as the landlords and the rich, used to humiliate and harass the SC Dalits, to play it for them at their homes and streets, for their Marriages and in Marriage Processions, other Functions, Death Processions etc, for free or a small fee, almost for a Pittance. Hence, the SC Dalits in protest, had given up playing Thappu completely, as that was seen as a form of Social Slavery. Hence as part of their quest for Freedom, their Dignity, Self-Respect and Liberation from Social Slavery, from the exploitative and oppressive Landlords and the caste hindus, the SC Dalits had hung up the Trappe once and for all, almost in all Villages and Slums.

    The Dalit Solidarity in boycotting the Landlords and the caste hindus was so strong that, since long, even small girls and women will throw away the Thappu, or the simplest form of it made out of Earthen Neck of a Pot, with the Leather stretched on its Mouth and tied, if they see it with any of their children. That though the simple form of it is made in large numbers, and marketed in hundreds in every village and town, for beating and playing in the streets by the youngsters, during the Eve of the famous South Indian Harvest Festival of Pongal, being celebrated with conventional frenzy by the young children and the old alike, as Bogy.

    Since SC Dalits refuse, don’t Play Thappu and its cheapest mud frame version these days, it is the Children of other caste hindus from backward castes, and even many from the DCHs – dominant caste hindus, who play it crudely on the Days of Bogy. The boycott of the Thappu, was and still is very strong, that Thappu Beating, or Playing Thappu, and so the beats of Rhythm of Thappu for Music, had almost vanished.

    Because of the big Demand for Thappu Players in Tamil and Telugu Cinemas, and for many Street Performances, it had recently been revived by some individuals, and it is now getting fresh life and re-emerging as a Powerful Protest Voice or Music of the Dalits of South India.

    Some Japanese Scholars and Activists, as well as many others have come here recently, as they were interested in Thappu and Thappu Players. Some of them, were therefore sent to many parts of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu in South India, with a few references of Thappu Players. And, what happened to their efforts, is as usually not known, as the scholars don’t generally give any feedback, or send any write up or even give references of their Publications, if any.

    DETAILED STUDY AND COMPILATION OF DATA

    A Detailed Study and Compilation of Data, on all these Issues and in many such Areas, will go a long way, in understanding the Continuing and ongoing Problems of the existing Biases and continuing Prejudices against the SCs&STs everywhere here in this Country; to keep the SCs&STs Backward. Everyone forgets that as long as the SCs&STs are kept Backward, this Nation is bound to remain Backward, to Lag-Behind in most Spheres of Arts Culture Music and Development.



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    A detailed report

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    A Dalit Woman being beaten up by a Hindu high caste man with a bamboo in state of Bihar




    A Dalit woman being beaten up by a male cop(right) while his companion female cop (in left) watches while smiling. ( the Dalit woman's hair have been grabbed)

    A Dalit woman has been tied to a tree and lynched and her hairs are being cut down


    A Dalit man being tied to tree and lynched

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    I think the above pictures will speak a million words

    There are lot of violent pictures in my collection that shows reality of Dalits condition and violence against them, but I am not going post them until and unless the moderator gives me a green signal.

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    A cop beating up a 8yr old Dalit girl






    A burnt down Dalit house




    Here the policeman is grabbing hair of a Dalit minor girl ( left side) and assaulting her




    Picture of a tortured Dalit woman all covered in blood





    Picture from "Khairlanji Dalit Massacre ". Picture of dead bodies of a Dalit couple
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    Pictures of more attrocities




    Picture of a helpless Dalit

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    Picture of a Dalit man's back beaten up badly with whip




    Dalit house destroyed




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    An injured Dalit man after being attacked brutally by right wing goons
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    Quote Originally Posted by red cat View Post
    This is why usually women are the first ones to rebel against the feudal state of India.

    I completely agree ! That is exactly the case.

    That is the reason why you see so many female soldiers in PLGA, and the kill rates of some of this women have made them legends , this women are simply the best, they can put "Nikita" , "Kill Bill" babes to shame, about a year ago a group of PLGA fighters led by a female commander entered into an enemy base and killed all the enemies and took away their assault rifles in state of West Bengal.

    But what many people simply don't know why this tribal women became real life Nikita at the first place, well people who has gone through my posts will get an idea as to why? Many such women have in past been brutally raped by government forces.


    My salute and respect goes out to this great women, they are the true life "Charlies Angel" . They are the true angel who are saving life by and protecting women from government rapists and killers

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    Caste is sort of the deep dark secret in India. The upper middle classes I met would tell me that it was no longer a problem, and they seemed to genuinely believe that. But I heard a very different story from Dalits. The biggest problem is in rural, often conservative areas, where education and critical thought are discouraged in favor of maintaining semi-feudal relations.

    It's a complicated problem though, and there's no panacea. There have been reformers within and without the "Hindu" culture arguing against it going back to the Buddha and before, including many of its most influential figures. But their message gets lost or co-opted by the class interests of upper castes. As a result, violent revolution becomes increasingly appealing to many, while urbanites often fail to understand the causes of the violence, or even their manifestations around them.

    What's interesting about Dalits is that they aren't even a part of the original Hindu caste system, but exist outside of it (Sudras are the lowest caste, Dalits are actually "untouchable" and therefore quite literally "outcaste").
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva Trishula Dialectics View Post
    Caste is sort of the deep dark secret in India. The upper middle classes I met would tell me that it was no longer a problem, and they seemed to genuinely believe that.
    They usually don't believe that themselves. Tell such a person belonging to some high caste that you're a dalit and you'll find out.

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    It's horrifying and disgusting, and it shows that Indian feudalism is much less advanced than Chinese feudalism. Chinese feudalism was much more meritocratic. As the great proverb of Chinese theology states:

    The God of Heaven has no favourites, the only criteria is Virtue.

    The concept de or "virtue" here isn't purely moralistic, but has similarities with the ancient Greek term arete, or "excellence".

    In ancient China, if one has sufficient talent and power, one can do anything, even if one is from the lowest of social backgrounds. The great admiral Zheng He, who explored the coast of Africa a century before the Europeans did, was originally a prisoner of war and a Muslim eunuch, yet he rose to the highest levels of the Chinese court. The first emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang, was originally a beggar, the lowest of the low in society, the lowest "dalit" in the Mongol Yuan Dynasty, since he was a Southern Han Chinese as well, the lowest caste in Mongol Yuan society. Yet he became the absolute ruler of the most powerful empire on earth.

    Sorry if this sounds racist, but the Indian system is absolutely disgusting. It's not just "semi-feudal", it's "semi-slavery". It's almost as if the slavelord Shang Dynasty never ended in India. Never mind capitalist and socialist revolutions, India never even had a proper feudal revolution. Not just modern Marxists and Enlightenment era bourgeois thinkers, but even philosophers of ancient feudal China 2000 years ago would find this system absolutely barbaric and backward. The system needs to be completely destroyed through fire and blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppler View Post
    Yeah, and China is "totalitarian" while India is supposedly "free".
    Not defending the Chinese ruthless state capitalism, but it is still light years ahead of India. Even most African nations don't have this kind of backward social structure.
    I wouldn't defend the Chinese state-capitalist system now, but China under Mao was not "state-capitalist".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iseul View Post
    It's horrifying and disgusting, and it shows that Indian feudalism is much less advanced than Chinese feudalism. Chinese feudalism was much more meritocratic. As the great proverb of Chinese theology states:

    The God of Heaven has no favourites, the only criteria is Virtue.

    The concept de or "virtue" here isn't purely moralistic, but has similarities with the ancient Greek term arete, or "excellence".

    In ancient China, if one has sufficient talent and power, one can do anything, even if one is from the lowest of social backgrounds. The great admiral Zheng He, who explored the coast of Africa a century before the Europeans did, was originally a prisoner of war and a Muslim eunuch, yet he rose to the highest levels of the Chinese court. The first emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang, was originally a beggar, the lowest of the low in society, the lowest "dalit" in the Mongol Yuan Dynasty, since he was a Southern Han Chinese as well, the lowest caste in Mongol Yuan society. Yet he became the absolute ruler of the most powerful empire on earth.

    Sorry if this sounds racist, but the Indian system is absolutely disgusting. It's not just "semi-feudal", it's "semi-slavery". It's almost as if the slavelord Shang Dynasty never ended in India. Never mind capitalist and socialist revolutions, India never even had a proper feudal revolution. Not just modern Marxists and Enlightenment era bourgeois thinkers, but even philosophers of ancient feudal China 2000 years ago would find this system absolutely barbaric and backward. The system needs to be completely destroyed through fire and blood.
    Do you use every thread as an opportunity to prattle on about China?

    The Caste system in India is one of the most disguisting forms of insitutionalized discrimination, despite it's apparent end, it's clear that much of Indian society is based around this foul system, kudos to t.shonku for showing foul side of indian society to an unfortunatly ignorant western audience.

    Does the indian government attempt in anyway to cover up the murders of Dalit? Or explain the killings/discrimination as non-caste based?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iseul View Post
    It's horrifying and disgusting, and it shows that Indian feudalism is much less advanced than Chinese feudalism. Chinese feudalism was much more meritocratic. As the great proverb of Chinese theology states:

    The God of Heaven has no favourites, the only criteria is Virtue.

    The concept de or "virtue" here isn't purely moralistic, but has similarities with the ancient Greek term arete, or "excellence".

    In ancient China, if one has sufficient talent and power, one can do anything, even if one is from the lowest of social backgrounds. The great admiral Zheng He, who explored the coast of Africa a century before the Europeans did, was originally a prisoner of war and a Muslim eunuch, yet he rose to the highest levels of the Chinese court. The first emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang, was originally a beggar, the lowest of the low in society, the lowest "dalit" in the Mongol Yuan Dynasty, since he was a Southern Han Chinese as well, the lowest caste in Mongol Yuan society. Yet he became the absolute ruler of the most powerful empire on earth.

    Sorry if this sounds racist, but the Indian system is absolutely disgusting. It's not just "semi-feudal", it's "semi-slavery". It's almost as if the slavelord Shang Dynasty never ended in India. Never mind capitalist and socialist revolutions, India never even had a proper feudal revolution. Not just modern Marxists and Enlightenment era bourgeois thinkers, but even philosophers of ancient feudal China 2000 years ago would find this system absolutely barbaric and backward.
    I can't agree to this fully, because this almost sounds as if every meritorious person got his place in ancient Chinese society. This is not possible in any system other than communism or socialism. The other thing that you wrote about people having talent and power is true, because a talented, "powerful" (read agent of the ruling class) person can really rise to great heights in an exploitative system. That is why, similar to the historical events in China, many great imperial dynasties of India; the Nandas, the Mauryas, the Mamluks etc. were founded by slaves and servants. But let us not confuse this with the broader social conditions in feudal societies of India or China, because we all know that even during the Chinese people's war, women used to be routinely sold as slaves by the feudal warlords and the Kuomintang.

    However, it is also a fact that historically both Chinese feudalism and the national bourgeoisie were much more advanced than their Indian counterparts, and China was never fully colonized by a single imperialist power that would strengthen its feudal structure manifold. So if you subtract all the effects of the people's war from the Indian society, it will indeed place itself way behind pre-revolution China.

    The system needs to be completely destroyed through fire and blood.
    Very true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Wolfie's drug fuelled adventures View Post
    Do you use every thread as an opportunity to prattle on about China?
    I just made an objective comparison, which is no more than what many white Westerners here who like to prattle on about the great liberal "founding fathers" of America like Jefferson do, so how come I never see you criticising them?

    I'm simply pointing out that to have a virtue-centric theology is more advanced than to have a caste-centric theology like in Hinduism, or even a faith-centric theology like in Christianity and Islam. Do you dispute this?

    It seems to me that you are just implicitly racist against the Chinese. Because according to you I can't even state a single positive word about China anywhere.

    Fact is, Chinese people generally are still oppressed and discriminated against. Here in the UK we Chinese aren't any less discriminated against than Muslims, despite the Muslims getting all the attention, just in different ways. If you don't recognise that Chinese people still face racism then you are just blind.

    If a Muslim wrote a bit about the positive elements of the Islamic civilisation, because such things are simply under-valued in the West, would you be criticising him/her for doing that too? It's the same for the Chinese. Making more people in the West know about world history from a genuinely global and internationalist perspective, rather than just an Eurocentric one, is actually a very important Marxist project in order to fight against racial and cultural inequality.

    Look at most history books. They always tend to prattle a lot more about Greece, Rome, Medieval Europe, American history etc, than they ever talk about the civilisations of Asia, Africa and native America. That's what you should be criticising, not what I'm writing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red cat View Post
    I can't agree to this fully, because this almost sounds as if every meritorious person got his place in ancient Chinese society.
    No. Of course I'm not saying that. I'm saying in Confucianism at least the principle of meritocracy very explicitly existed, but in Hinduism it never did.

    Just like capitalism can never genuinely bring about "freedom" for the masses, but at least the concept of freedom very explicitly exist in Western capitalism, but not in pre-capitalist Europe, or even some non-Western capitalist states today.

    This is not possible in any system other than communism or socialism.
    Of course.

    The other thing that you wrote about people having talent and power is true, because a talented, "powerful" (read agent of the ruling class) person can really rise to great heights in an exploitative system.
    But not all powerful people are necessarily "agents" of the existing ruling class. Many Chinese emperors really came from very low social backgrounds, and only gained power through armed rebellion. Of course, unlike a Maoist people's war, they could never overthrow the feudal system itself, but simply repeats the cycle further, despite initially using some egalitarian rhetoric from Messiahnic Buddhism and Daoism during the early stages of the peasant rebellion.

    However, one could argue that unfortunately in China today the Maoist revolution has ended up just like a "classic successful peasant rebellion" in antiquity.

    It would seem that in Indian history, the lowest layers of society, like the dalits, were never able to successfully rise up at all. This is different in ancient China.

    However, it is also a fact that historically both Chinese feudalism and the national bourgeoisie were much more advanced than their Indian counterparts, and China was never fully colonized by a single imperialist power that would strengthen its feudal structure manifold. So if you subtract all the effects of the people's war from the Indian society, it will indeed place itself way behind pre-revolution China.
    Agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iseul View Post
    No. Of course I'm not saying that. I'm saying in Confucianism at least the principle of meritocracy very explicitly existed, but in Hinduism it never did.
    This is probably true. The post-rigvedic caste system is one of the most reactionary social concepts in entire human history.
    Just like capitalism can never genuinely bring about "freedom" for the masses, but at least the concept of freedom very explicitly exist in Western capitalism, but not in pre-capitalist Europe, or even some non-Western capitalist states today.



    Of course.



    But not all powerful people are necessarily "agents" of the existing ruling class. Many Chinese emperors really came from very low social backgrounds, and only gained power through armed rebellion. Of course, unlike a Maoist people's war, they could never overthrow the feudal system itself, but simply repeats the cycle further, despite initially using some egalitarian rhetoric from Messiahnic Buddhism and Daoism during the early stages of the peasant rebellion.

    However, one could argue that unfortunately in China today the Maoist revolution has ended up just like a "classic successful peasant rebellion" in antiquity.

    It would seem that in Indian history, the lowest layers of society, like the dalits, were never able to successfully rise up at all. This is different in ancient China.
    I meant that they themselves became a part of the ruling class. Such armed rebellions happened in ancient India too. I gave examples of such empires in my previous post. After these rebellions the caste system would be considerably weakened and sometimes religions such as Jainism and Buddhism would temporarily gain popularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red cat View Post
    I meant that they themselves became a part of the ruling class. Such armed rebellions happened in ancient India too. I gave examples of such empires in my previous post. After these rebellions the caste system would be considerably weakened and sometimes religions such as Jainism and Buddhism would temporarily gain popularity.
    Unfortunately Maoism in China has now also ended up like this. That's the empirical fact. The egalitarian Maoist people's war has established another "dynasty" in China, just like the egalitarian Buddhist and Daoist peasant rebellions in ancient times.

    The revisionist "Red aristocrats" in China today are living a life of luxury just like the feudal aristocrats of Old China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iseul View Post
    Unfortunately Maoism in China has now also ended up like this. That's the empirical fact. The egalitarian Maoist people's war has established another "dynasty" in China, just like the egalitarian Buddhist and Daoist peasant rebellions in ancient times.

    The revisionist "Red aristocrats" in China today are living a life of luxury just like the feudal aristocrats of Old China.
    From the socialist stage that China had attained, a reversal to feudalism was impossible. What we see in China today is capitalism developing into imperialism. This is still a qualitative development over feudalism. Which ancient Chinese peasant rebellion had led to a qualitative change ?

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