You're kind of driving this thread off topic with really, really dumb sectarian bullshit.

And I sympathize rather strongly with the communist left so no it's not a political thing.

"You're kind of driving this thread off topic with really, really dumb sectarian bullshit." - Love

Fair enough, Im glad the moderators are fair and balanced

Shut up will you, the Soviet Union is dead and gone. Instead of what appears to be mindless sectarianism and trolling you could focus on the workers struggle going on in France.

Maybe it's because they got it right...

Now contribute meaningfully to this thread or suffer as I laugh in sadistic pleasure at your inevitable banning.

Loveschach aint no Stalinist and he's not being biased. Come on now.

However, I have to agree, the posts you're making are largely conjecture. You're free to criticise other tendencies, however, pick your threads and keep it relevant (and substantiated).

I was away from this forum for too long but its good to see the standard of poster has increased in my absence.
Jacobinist seriously, get a grip of reality, what in blue fuck is this "the french are a small step away (or more like one charismatc leader away) from developing anarcho-syndicalism"?
Your just embaressing yourself.
Not to mention your "stalinist" rampages, bizarre, just bizarre, trendy leftism at its finest.

Err... no he wouldn't.

Damn, the French working class is fucking awesome.

The level of conscience there is pretty amazing. The US would be just like this if the right wing hand of propaganda didn't shield their eyes so much.

Yeah, I don't get this either. Did I miss something about the French unions? Anarcho-syndicalism?

This sounds extremely American.

Trendy leftism? Trendy leftism is upheld by leftist who are uncritical of the mistakes made in the past. If you disagree that the french are much more organized and serious about politics, then you are an idiot. And as mentioned above, where are the US unions, and what are they doing?

Twiddling their thumbs.

Do you mind explaining the Anarcho-Syndicalim comment though?

Anarcho syncalism requires strong, activist, political unions not afraid to confront the government. France has such unions.

What kind of unions does the US have? When was the last time the AFL-CIO called a general strike to protest the war in Iraq? (French unions did back in 03). What I'm saying is that, french unions are much further down the path to anarcho-syncalism than the corporate American unions ever will be.

I don't disagree that our unions have been co-opted into the establishment and that they're weak in comparison to French and other European unions, but closer to Anarcho-Syndicalism? Are they close to direct action and taking over the industries for the workers?

If you agree that French unions are activist. If you agree that French unions dont follow government policy. If you agree that French proltariat is years ahead of the American proletariat (who currently thinks Obama is part of some undercover Marxist plot). Than you've answered your own qustions.

Are they not closer?

i don't understand that one, healthcare is public in canada. would that mean cutting off from the government and taxe and eventually make the user pay for their healthcare? i'm not criticizing i just want to understand.

Look up "May 68" and find out the role the Unions played in the french uprising.
Same unions.
The French unions have a stronger tradition of militancy than those in the US (That is, they have maintained their militancy), but they're far from being anarcho-syndicalist.

Fair enough, but they are much further down that path than any union in the US. Awesome event that of May 68. Thats a good example of unions as a political force in todays society.

not really, this coperative would receive fund from the governement to operate it, Gestion and management would be up to the cooperative members. Right now, the system is failling, mainly beccause of high bureaucratic cost. In the main hospital of my city, the priest is paid around 90 000 a year, and received a bonus from the hospital administration. The bureaucratic structure is clogged, and cost us probably billion of dollard a year in prime and sub-prime given to many bureaucrat who already receive high pay, from 100 to 300 000 dollars a years, and those guy are not even administrator.

We got the doctor, we got the room, but beccause of all that money wasted we FORCE doctor to stay at home and close whole hospital wings, you can wait at the ER for 6 hour with a broken limb.

our health system used to be great, but those fucking bureaucrat ruined it.
Now, instead of revising the structure, some politicians talk about increasing the private sector.

with Cooperatives, Management would be better, but on the other hand, that would mean the Union will have to go.

And since Union are litteraly corporations, they dont want to loose their profits, and for them 10 000 less member mean million dollars less a year.

What makes the French unions so militant besides the obvious protests featured in the news every year or so? What are their activities all about? Their organizational structure, their demands, their political and economic outlook, where workers should be and what rights they demand for their workers?

Are they militant in the promotion of maintaining the status quo, i.e. social democracy, welfare state, or are they radical in promoting more social change?

from my understanding and from the understanding of some french national my sister know well, mostr of the unions dont want the end of capitalism at all.

they shout and protest beccauser they know their bosses will cut some of their salary, all they want is to have it back, they dont care if they are being used by the bosses who live in castle, all they want is their money.

I am not familiar with the Union from france, but where i live, those organisation have investments in banks, lobby political party for lucrative contracts and really dont care about worker control of mean of productions.