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I'm thinking about joining a commune after I get out of high school to escape the filth and corruption of the capitalist world. How hard would it be to find one that lived solely off the land? Or should I just go to college after I graduate?
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so long as capitalism exists you can't escape it, no commune will be cut of from capitalism
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nah, not worth it. There's extremly little struggle to be conducted from a commune. You may have to deal with a great many lifestylist hippies too
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i wouldnt do it.
I dont know of other countries, but certainly in the british isles If the pigs, landlords, or bailiffs throw you out and you end up needing state welfare to live you'll be in a world of hurt, if you cant prove your previous whereabouts, means of living etc. They wont pay up and you'll be fucked for alternative accomodation. Live within the system, agitate and continue to argue for a better one.
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Detaching yourself from what you are fighting isn't necessary the right course of action. Communes can be fun, they can make descent models for a community (those who make what they use, not scavenge), they can have some great people, but all-in-all, it's a bubble, and bubbles can be popped. Even hermits need to pay taxes and even squatting syndicalist need to buy their shoes somewhere. Its life, and we all participate in it, no matter where we are. If you remove yourself from it then how are you going to relate to the common person/worker? To me, its a trade for some piece of mind, but you do lose something in return.
I have friends that have gone that route, and I would say don't commit yourself to a commune, maybe travel. Hitchhike with a group of anarchists and follow the (direct) action. You'll see a lot more than just sitting around a dilapidated bungalow. If you are worried about your education, I wouldn't be, I'm not. I am going to school now because I want to know how to make movies, not because I want to be an editor or "have a career". In a decade or so I feel that jobs are going to be so low that I won't really matter if you have a degree or not, just as long as you have the chops for the job. Stay awake and active and eventfully you'll find your ninch. Travel from commune to commune if you want, that wouldn't be a bad idea. See how they operate and their diversity. See the World, that's what I'm gunna do (after I graduate )
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My comrade got a loan to buy and fix up an old house. She and three other comrades all pay 303 a month which will be paid off in 15 years. They all work together on the house, cook and store supplies for food not bombs, etc. Some work some live as freegans. Seems much better than squatting a house and getting kicked out.
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Nah. Not worth it.
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"The sun shines. To hell with everything else!" - Stephen Fry "As the world of the spectacle extends its reign it approaches the climax of its offensive, provoking new resistances everywhere. These resistances are very little known precisely because the reigning spectacle is designed to present an omnipresent hypnotic image of unanimous submission. But they do exist and are spreading.", The Bad Days Will End. "(The) working class exists and struggles in all countries, and has the same enemies in all countries – the police, the army, the unions, nationalism, and the fake ‘socialism’ of the bourgeois left. It shows that the conditions for a worldwide revolution are ripening everywhere today. It shows that workers and revolutionaries are not passive spectators of inter-imperialist conflicts: they have a camp to choose, the camp of the proletarian struggle against all the factions of the bourgeoisie and all imperialisms." -ICC, Nation or Class? |
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change the world , dont exclude yourself from reality
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Utopia lies at the horizon. When I draw nearer by two steps, it retreats two steps. If I proceed ten steps forward, it swiftly slips ten steps ahead. No matter how far I go, I can never reach it. What, then, is the purpose of utopia? It is to cause us to advance. Eduardo Galeano |
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It is impossible to detach oneself from Capitalism in modern society. Although Capitalism's hegemony isn't monolithic or omnipresent, it's grip on social relations is extremely far-reaching and it's logic is embedded in all social processes.
Let us suppose a commune is setup and we define the internal actions of the commune as 'outside capitalism', it still would have to interact with 'the Capitalist world' through numerous relations such as property tax, buying raw materials and tools to work the land, buying seed to sow the land. Eventually the interaction with 'the Capitalist world' through social relations guided by capitalist logic will reproduce capitalism inside your commune if you rely only on your commune for resistance to capitalism. Secondly, I highly doubt the social structures and power relations that would be established in this commune would be free from Capital or dominance-based power relations. It is more likely Capital is reproduced inside the commune from the very start.
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Make your own with its own rules/laws and dont cut youself off from the world. Use it like a base for your oporations.
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Thanks for all the advice
, I'm definitely rethinking a lot...
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You can always decide to join a commune later. Besides, joining a commune to "escape" capitalism is a big decision, and if you're so unsure that you need to ask for advice on the Internet, you should wait until you've had more time to think it through. Anyway, you can't escape capitalism. You can give up and isolate yourself, or you can fight for a better world.
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omnia sunt communia ------- "I want to live long enough to witness some serious Fall of the Roman Empire-type shit." -explosive situation |
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http://ruralpeople.atspace.org/centr...es_commune.htm
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Utopia lies at the horizon. When I draw nearer by two steps, it retreats two steps. If I proceed ten steps forward, it swiftly slips ten steps ahead. No matter how far I go, I can never reach it. What, then, is the purpose of utopia? It is to cause us to advance. Eduardo Galeano |
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what a stupid response.
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Excluding yourself from capitalism is mission impossible. Capitalism must be dismantled from within.
Having that said, I'd suggest to pursue a college degree (if you have funds, naturally). There are several good ways to go if you are serious about your revolutionary potential, I'd say politics, history, journalism or even economics. Yes, economics ![]() You must be knowledgeable of the enemy you are fighting against, what better way then to learn it from within? Also, if you are good at it, you might end up with a high payed job. And this will REALLY put you in a good self evaluation position. Will you choose the comfty life and admit to yourself that you were faking it all along or will you work on destroying the system from inside, the system that btw provided you with a very comfortable life ![]() Make sense right?
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I've posted and re-posted this article of mine (and others have as well), because these appeals to form a commune keep coming up. In fact, just the other day my friends talked about forming a commune with me on the phone, and I refered them to my analysis:
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while it is obvious that there is no escape from capitalism in the sense that many communes strive for, i don't think we should downplay the desires that move people in that direction. disgust for capital doesn't stem only from the exploitation and degradation we experience in our jobs, but also from the social conditions capitalism creates outside the workplace. the desire for the commune isn't just a desire to escape from economic reality, but also to escape from social isolation and rediscover a communal, human identity. its not a coincidence that the transition to capitalism in europe saw a massive offensive by the ruling class against the communal structures the working classes had been living in, historically a base for immense resistance. i think its important to not simply attack the escapism of the desire for the commune, but to direct it into an offensive position by rediscovering communal life as a base for struggle.
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omnia sunt communia ------- "I want to live long enough to witness some serious Fall of the Roman Empire-type shit." -explosive situation |
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Sure, if you want to, but make sure you do not join something like People's temple
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They have been the ant and me the cicada, while they have been counting the dollars, I been wasting my time counting the stars. I wanted to make a human out of every human animal, they, more practical, have made an animal out of each man; they have instituted themselves as the pastors of the flock. However, I rather be a dreamer than a practical man. -Ricardo Flores Magon International Communist Current Internationalism Revolucion Mundial Formerly dada |
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