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Dressed like cops,3 guys went to his house today at 5.30 am,killed one of the most dirty reporters in Greece.The cops on the ballistic exams saw the guns of Revolutionaries Secht,a nihilist terrorist group who was away for the last year.

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The man was apparently researching corruption, so I'm sure these "revolutionaries" will be getting flowers from the government tomorrow.
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Story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10684185

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Sokratis Giolias, 37, was shot more than 15 times in the Athens neighbourhood of Ilioupoli.

According to colleagues, he had been about to publish the results of an investigation into corruption.

Police said ballistics tests tied the killers' guns to previous attacks by the Sect of Revolutionaries.
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Where did you see this thing?
Who mentionned the revolutionary secht?
WTF?!?!?!?!?!
I just heard the expression " gangster attack" and "3 people attacked the reporter today. It was a well organised job..."
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The man was apparently researching corruption, so I'm sure these "revolutionaries" will be getting flowers from the government tomorrow.


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Wow, what is this world coming to?

Are they really nihilists? How can one be a nihilist and a revolutionary?
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Are they really nihilists? How can one be a nihilist and a revolutionary?
Didn't the Narodniks have a nihilistic bent?
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Didn't the Narodniks have a nihilistic bent?
Perhaps, though I'm not too knowledgeable on the Narodniks or any other nihilist movement, aside from their tendency to perform 'propaganda of the deed' nonsense like killing certain individuals. I can't say that nihilism, by my understanding of it, has any real political merit.
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good to see the strategy of tension getting another go around. idiots

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Perhaps, though I'm not too knowledgeable on the Narodniks or any other nihilist movement, aside from their tendency to perform 'propaganda of the deed' nonsense like killing certain individuals. I can't say that nihilism, by my understanding of it, has any real political merit.
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The man was apparently researching corruption, so I'm sure these "revolutionaries" will be getting flowers from the government tomorrow.
dude,dont be a fuckin idiot.this fucker was part of the corruption in Greece.He used to work for a guy that blackmailed the goverment with a DVD that had sexual scenes of a big goverment asshole,he had the biggest blog in Greece from where he attacked the left like every day...

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Wow, what is this world coming to?

Are they really nihilists? How can one be a nihilist and a revolutionary?
Good question. It seems that even quoting from The Big Lebowski can't answer this one.

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dude,dont be a fuckin idiot.this fucker was part of the corruption in Greece.He used to work for a guy that blackmailed the goverment with a DVD that had sexual scenes of a big goverment asshole,he had the biggest blog in Greece from where he attacked the left like every day...

as we say in Greece: a crow doesnt poke the eye off of another crow...
So he was just a simple hack writer? Well, that justifies dressing yourself up in police gear to go and execute the guy. True "revolutionary" terrorists don't go for the big shots, but for the little fish; first a minor bureaucrat, now a reporter. No doubt, bloody murder of minor characters will really help revolution in Greece. Why bother with useless shit like organising working-class people, when you can just threaten to kill all journalists for having the bloody guts to report on daily affairs?

So anyway, according to this story (use Google Translate), the police now rule out terrorism, and suspect the involvement of organised crime. If this turns out to be true, can we still cheer? Hey, I heard the Mafia are actually really progressive guys!
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So he was just a simple hack writer? Well, that justifies dressing yourself up in police gear to go and execute the guy. True "revolutionary" terrorists don't go for the big shots, but for the little fish; first a minor bureaucrat, now a reporter. No doubt, bloody murder of minor characters will really help revolution in Greece. Why bother with useless shit like organising working-class people, when you can just threaten to kill all journalists for having the bloody guts to report on daily affairs?

So anyway, according to this story (use Google Translate), the police now rule out terrorism, and suspect the involvement of organised crime. If this turns out to be true, can we still cheer? Hey, I heard the Mafia are actually really progressive guys!

First you need to understand what this organisation is about:they are not targeting the "big fishes" but the small ones that support the system.Cops,rotten journalists,snitches etc. they said it on their communiques and they prove it in action.

Other than that,I dont know what are they thinking,but I dont let the revolution in the hands of someone who just holds a gun(specially them fuckin idiots of RS).I work for organising the class struggle.Does that means that I have to choose between the two?I dont think so.

Last,that story you posted is straight bs.They suspected mafia in the beggining(maybe because he was a such a nice guy!)but later on the ballistics showed RS.Still,the media are promoting the idea of the minister of public order,that "the new age terrorists are connected with the organised crime".So,stop reading mainstream media and totally believe in them.
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But there is a pretty obvious choice to make. Regardless of who actually pulled the trigger, it has already created a serious problem. In almost every paper and news broadcast in the world, a "left-wing organisation" has once again been linked to a lowly murder. This will continue to happen, because these guys can't kill every journalist in the world. The consequences of this killing are strictly negative.

And, just like with the previous murder that was discussed here (of a ministerial bureaucrat), there are thousands of new journalists waiting in the wings to take over the job. What can terrorists do against that? Threaten and kill more of them, and create a climate where nobody dares to report anything any more, where the semblance of the "free press" is destroyed completely? That's more akin to the lead-up to Hitler's power grab in Germany, and it will be part of a massive reaction where all "rights" of bourgeois democracy will go out of the window.

Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable for people who support class struggle and revolution to say, "They are not with us, and these are not our tactics. Who uses terrorism to silence the press? Government, big business, fascists, but not us."
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i'm no expert on balistics but i for one highly doubt you can make an acurate balastic comparison and run it through the system in under 10 hours and get an reliable answer, espacily in greece.

blaming the left terrorist boogymen is probapbly way more convient than admitting that organsied crime is excuting this kind of militairy operations in cop uniforms.
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But there is a pretty obvious choice to make. Regardless of who actually pulled the trigger, it has already created a serious problem. In almost every paper and news broadcast in the world, a "left-wing organisation" has once again been linked to a lowly murder. This will continue to happen, because these guys can't kill every journalist in the world. The consequences of this killing are strictly negative.

And, just like with the previous murder that was discussed here (of a ministerial bureaucrat), there are thousands of new journalists waiting in the wings to take over the job. What can terrorists do against that? Threaten and kill more of them, and create a climate where nobody dares to report anything any more, where the semblance of the "free press" is destroyed completely? That's more akin to the lead-up to Hitler's power grab in Germany, and it will be part of a massive reaction where all "rights" of bourgeois democracy will go out of the window.

Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable for people who support class struggle and revolution to say, "They are not with us, and these are not our tactics. Who uses terrorism to silence the press? Government, big business, fascists, but not us."
Serious problem?Not here mate!Here in Greece a big part of the society hates the guts of the reporters.So,whoever is against the attack,would be against the attack anyways-right wingers etc.Plus,the fact that he wasnt rich doenst mean he wasnt a scum.Just to give you a clue to who that son of a bitch was:when the bomb went out 3 months ago and killed the Afgan kid,his blog(mind you,the biggest in Greece) cooperated with the Public Order ministry and without clues said it was Conspiracy of Cells of Fire behind it.And if that wasnt enough,he published the photo of the kid with his guts out.And this was only one of the many incidents he was involved into.

World is a better place without him.point blank period.And many people know that.Even I,who thought of the Secht guys as totaly morons,didnt shed a tear...
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Serious problem?Not here mate!Here in Greece a big part of the society hates the guts of the reporters.So,whoever is against the attack,would be against the attack anyways-right wingers etc.Plus,the fact that he wasnt rich doenst mean he wasnt a scum.Just to give you a clue to who that son of a bitch was:when the bomb went out 3 months ago and killed the Afgan kid,his blog(mind you,the biggest in Greece) cooperated with the Public Order ministry and without clues said it was Conspiracy of Cells of Fire behind it.And if that wasnt enough,he published the photo of the kid with his guts out.And this was only one of the many incidents he was involved into
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if he simply stopped existing then probably yes, but he was pushed out of existence by a 'revolutionary' group which will now be used to defamate revolutionaries even more. The way he was pushed out of this world didnt make the world a better place, but worse imo.
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Whatever has happened, we need to follow straight and social methods to cause revolution. So simple. I disagree with RS etc, but yes, he was a scum.
And, yes. This is very clever, it seems so real, it may be true. What that person said about the police blaming the nihilists for their "irresponsibility" to keep their bosses safe.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that group was the branch of the state's Ministry of Internal Affairs. It is easy to predict the state's strategy to push revolutionaries towards extremism in order to put them straight into jails and isolate them from the society. Although this subversive tactics will obviously fail (at least marxist-leninist groups have been well protected against such influence since Lenin's times), it is still harmful. It allows the state and private media to present revolutionaries in the false light as extremists, that may result in pushing some sections of the working class towards right-wing of social-democracy.
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