Have just browse through some basic info about The Fabian
Society - hopefully I will have something worth reading to write
in a little while...

BTB:

1) It's a tatic you use all the time.

2) It was aimed at controverting your general point, that we can infer the politics of someone who is a logical positivist. You only tell a fraction of the story.

And neither is it the question whether dialectics is the only mystical theory and the only road to counter-revolutionary/substitutionist thinking -- but it is the major one for most Dialectical Marxists.

Well, you are going to have to produce a bit more evidence to show that there is such a connection than this analogy drawn against the capitalists.

Apologies, I misunderstood you.

Ah, but they say the same of us Trots. In fact there is no way to tell of the many thousands (!!) of versions of dialectics there are out there which is or which isn't a 'distortion'!

And, I'd like to see you try this argument over in the Dialectical Materialist Cabal -- try it and see what the Maoists, Stalinists and Hoxha-fans say!

An apallingly bad book -- full of logical blunders. How we can trust a single thing this confused 'theorist', I hesitate to ask.

But, as I said, refer the non-Trotskyist dialecticians over in your cabal to this book, and let's see the non-dialectical fur fly.

We need a laugh.

I can't, but then that is part of the reason why every single one is such a failure.

Prove me wrong:

Name me one successful dialectical marxist current. [Recall, 1917 has been reversed...]

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Added on edit:

I have just checked that book, and one could use it to attack the current postion of SWP-dialecticians, in that they too advocate this 'theory' as a theory of nature.

Glass houses and all that...

I hate to detract from all the philosophical mudslinging, but the chapters on "Socialism" - especially the one on distribution - are an absolute must-read (as my signature implies)! Grunt, the two Cliffites who have responded to your posts so far are monetary socialists, with their version of "socialism" being accommodative of the money-commodities-money process (a.k.a. CAPITAL).

JR -- what are you on about?

I am not a 'Cliffite'! Are you trying to fall out with me?

And all that stuff about money -- well, words fail me...

What on Earth is a Cliffite?

What in Heaven's name is a monetary socialist and what the Hell has it got to do with the argument in this thread?

Perhaps he means this:

http://www.cliffite.blogspot.com/

Aren't you a subscriber to Cliff's "state capitalism" stuff? Also, I'm sure that the SWP is a Cliffite party.

Thanks for that JR! Of course I know nothing (yet) about Cliff
and Cliffites - will look it up tonight.

A big thank you, JR - that you are treating me like a comrade
among comrades and not (like some) like an ignorant idiot!

I may not be the smartest - but I am active in the party
I am a member in: Kocking doors and trying to sell our
weekly paper every thursday night. Selling the paper
and engaging people in discussions downtown on the
street every saturday, plus of course party-meetings,
demonstartions and stuff.
I know: It's grassroot stuff - but it's important too.

JR:

The vast majority of SWP-ers would regard the term 'Cliffite' as an insult both to them and to him.

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Grunt, perhaps the best place to read up on the SWP-UK tradition is here:

http://www.marxists.de/admin/contents.htm

Thanks Rosa!