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Rosa, just becuase you say its all nonsense, doesn't make it nonsense. There are some good things in all of these philosophers. In the case of camus and sartre, there's very little that is nonsense, its all rather well argued. Is it well written? Eh it depends. What about absurdism is so damn worthless? Foucault even, has his uses. There's some wanky nihilism, but also a lot of good analysis of disciplinary institution and disciplinary power. Its not just nonsense you can throw away.
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Look, no one is trying to stop you wasting your time on the woolly stuff, but it will take a loaded shot-gun, pointed at my head, to make me delve into it again. Having to study it as an undergraduate was bad enough. You are welcome to it. [And we still haven't been told what this has to do with those sackings.]
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Trivas:
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1) Hegel was talking complete b*llocks. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/...mmitted_01.htm 2) Marx had rejected Hegel in his entirety in Das Kapital.
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Trivas:
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I am surprised no one has told you this before. Quote:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/page%2009_01.htm More importantly, Marx himself does, and that trumps the views of you and the other mystical dupes who think like you.
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And, can we ignore all the links you post?
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The sackings were the result of the red scare in the 1950s. Academics of a leftist bent were blacklisted and fired en mass. In philosophy departments this often meant the elimination of continentals, who tended to be more left wing and were active in politics. Analytics replaced them, becuase american analytics didn't deal with social or political issues, and relegated themselves to formal logic and philosophy of language.
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Trivas:
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You have been told this several times; so you need to focus a little more (if you can).
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Anyway, the deposition of the 'continentals', even according to you, had nothing to do with analytic philosophy (as you earlier seemed to allege) but was politically-motivated.
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And yet he still calls it 'the dialectical method'. Why?
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But also when I am active scientifically, etc. – an activity which I can seldom perform in direct community with others – then my activity is social, because I perform it as a man. Not only is the material of my activity given to me as a social product (as is even the language in which the thinker is active): my own existence is social activity, and therefore that which I make of myself, I make of myself for society and with the consciousness of myself as a social being. - Karl Marx "There are decades when nothing happens; and there are weeks when decades happen." - Lenin |
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Trivas:
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I do not like this term, since it misleads bumblers like Trivas, but I can live with it.
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Hegelism is like a mental disease -- you cannot know what it is until you get it, and then you can't know because you have got it -- Max Eastman. Enroll on the dialectics detox program here: http://anti-dialectics.co.uk/index.htm Basic Introductory Essay here: http://anti-dialectics.co.uk/Why%20I%20Oppose%20DM.htm Also check out: http://www.leninology.blogspot.com/ |
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Could you describe this ancient Greek method of dialectics for we philosophy ignoramuses? Or a link would do.
Does this method, going back to the Greeks, make the term 'material dialectic' more sensible to you?
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But also when I am active scientifically, etc. – an activity which I can seldom perform in direct community with others – then my activity is social, because I perform it as a man. Not only is the material of my activity given to me as a social product (as is even the language in which the thinker is active): my own existence is social activity, and therefore that which I make of myself, I make of myself for society and with the consciousness of myself as a social being. - Karl Marx "There are decades when nothing happens; and there are weeks when decades happen." - Lenin |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic Marx indeed transformed this method by introducing concepts derived from historical materialism and French socialism. However, I do not like the term 'material dialectic' since it now has far too many untoward connotations.
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There was no historical materialism before Marx. He didn't derive it, he discovered it.
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Trivas:
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But you'd know that if you had read my Essays instead of burying your head ever deeper in that rather fetching sand dune. Meek, R. (1967a), Economics And Ideology And Other Essays (Chapman Hall). --------, (1967b), 'The Scottish Contribution To Marxist Sociology', in Meek (1967a), pp.34-50. http://www.adelaide.edu.au/apsa/docs...thers/Hill.pdf http://jcs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/a...t/7/3/339?etoc http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/profiles/ferguson.htm
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