This is an extremely interesting Russian journal that attempts to state Dialectical principles in mathematical terms. Marxist economics was the fist to seriously introduce mathematical calculation with the determination of value. Marx's labor theory is the only portion of his political economy integrated into bourgeois economics under mathmatical calculation. Because those works are so technical and obscure, even using Marxist ideas do not threaten the bourgeois world-view. This is an important step in going beyond simply restating Engel's 3 laws, and turning DiaMat into an actual science.

http://www.dialectical-physics.org/index.htm

With its outstanding achievements in exact sciences, especially physics, the 20th century will rightfully take a special place in the history of human kind. However, at present physics increasingly lags behind general progress, raising serious doubts about some of its basic concepts. To some extent, this is also true of mathematics. Therefore, it seems to be necessary to revise the basic axioms of physics and mathematics and to analyze them from the general standpoint of Dialectics (Dialectical Logic and Dialectical Philosophy).
For the first time in science the bases mathematical dialectics with the application to fundamental questions of physics and mathematics are stated on the basis of a dialectical binary numerical wave field, which opportunities considerably surpass existing traditional mathematical methods.
Articles are designed for professionals natural and social sciences, teachers of high schools, and also on students looking in the future, and can serve as the manual on dialectics, physics and mathematics in system of higher education.
All subsequent articles are written in language of dialectics and a dialectical binary numerical wave field, and assume knowledge of articles published here: Issue [B-01] - MATHEMATICAL EXPRESSION OF THE MAIN CATEGORIES OF DIALECTICAL PHILOSOPHY AND LOGIC .

Yes, I have seen this , and they too do not tell us what they mean by things like 'dialectical contradiction', except they repeat the same tired old formulae, and indulge in plenty of a priori dogmatics (imposing this theory on numbers, not just reality).

i think mathematics and physics are alright without this religious elements.

Indeed, you can find similar stuff wriiten by Buddhists, who think modern Physics and maths is all Zen...

Or Pytnagoras praying to the number ten /. But Pythagoras was awesome, so he can be excused

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Pythagoras's 'discoveries' were in fact made by his disciples:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n04/burn02_.html

Strange that the author never mentions Marx, Engels or Hegel despite clearly describing Materialist Dialectics. Perhaps an attempt to take Marx out of DiaMat like the Dialectics4kids page? Except that there are obvious connotations to concepts like base-superstructure.

Even stranger: why on earth are they bothering with the ideas of a logical incompetent like Hegel?

I never read this stuff.....reminds me of an american - cant remember his name - who tried this in the 60s and 70s (think his website is still up)

The resume above shows they dont ignore Hegel.

Not sure why it is unfortunate that Pythogoras' disciples invented what is ascribed to him.

^^^Michael Kosok:

http://www.thenewdialectics.org/

A card-carrying mystic.

Yes I noticed that health warning too.


Unfortunate for Marmot's view of Pythagoras, no one else.

I see you still need new glasses...

I would have thought it was quite 'awesome' (to use that term) to have set up such a sect. Its not my eyes that need fixing, its just your logic is a bit weak on this minor point.

Your right it was Kosok.....same sort of stuff as this guy I think....and both working physicists it seems

Gil:

Coming from someone who thinks arguments can be false, this is a bit rich.

What makes your response even less aposite is that my reply was in response to this comment of yours:

What has this comment of yours got to do with whether or not it was 'awesome' of Pythagoras to set up an anti-democratic, mass murdering, mystical sect?

That certainly wasn't Marmot's point. So if my grasp of logic is 'weak', then your grasp of reality is worryingly tenuous.

Pedantry will succour you to the end, I suspect....

Now that is a more interesting suggestion ! But fruitfull discussion is patently not on your crusaders agenda at the moment. So I'll drop it.

Gil:

In fact, your tendency to prefer sloppy thought will do that.

You seem to think this is a genteel, academic game.

Here is what I have said to LH on this:

So, I am not here to learn from you mystics or to try to communciate with you, but to give you lot a hard time.

How many times do I have to tell you this?

Yes I have noticed that quixotic delusion that in some way this is a forum in which an ideological aspect of the class war can be pursued.

Your understanding of class struggle leaves a lot to be desired.


Oh look, another windmill, Charge again brave, fearless knight !

Gil:

I suppose you think that RevLeft and you exist in a bubble.

Far less than your grasp of reality.

Yes, you do look like an object that runs on hot air.

On top of everything else, you dont display an understanding of how windmills work.

Gil:

Are you saying that in all of human history, a hot gust of wind has never moved the blades of a windmill?

If so, it seems that you might just be a dogmatist here too, and not just in philosophy.

Oh look, another windmill, Charge again brave, fearless knight !

Gil:

So, that's another question you can't answer.

Fair enough, but why is it always me who has to expose your ignorance?