We kind of need to figure out a plan of action for Islam.

Islam is a fascist, homophobic, sexist, racist, oppressive religion. It goes completely against socialism. We need to eventually move towards removing the extreme islamist groups like islam4uk. Trying to force any religion on anyone is not ok. The muslims are yet to learn this.

The real problem is not in combatting islamic ideas here- thats pretty much a non issue because muslims, let alone extreme muslims will never be a majority in this country. The very idea is laughable. I don't know what Islam4uk are even trying to achieve, what do they think that millions of britons watching tv are going to see a bearded pakistani immigrant in a dress screaming obscenities in a language they don't understand and they'll jump up from their seats and shout- "I see clearly now! everything I believe is wrong! Allah be praised!".

Seriously guys.

The real problem here is that the idiotic, meandering rantings of islamist groups give fodder to the BNP and EDL. The idiocy of a few, annoying, idiotic muslims generates hatred towards ALL muslims, even those who assimilated into our culture perfectly. This must stop now.

But what can we do? Any kind of anti-islamist action attracts racists, the government does nothing. This is why the BNP are growing in power- because nobody else is willing to do anything about the extreme muslims for fear of being branded a racist- when the only option outstanding is actual racists.

I'm all for multiculturalism, under the understanding that it does not infringe on other peoples freedoms and other cultures in the society. Islamic fundamentalists whether militant or not, take the fucking biscuit so to speak. They abuse a system which is in place for peaceful, happy cooperation between ethnic groups, and use it to try and propagate their disgusting, sexist, homophobic, racist, xenophobic, fascist ideologies.

So what can we actually do to combat islamic extremism without supporting blanket racism towards all asians or being accused of being and being joined by fascist whites?

(inb4 "zionist")

Attack Islam, but don't attack muslims.

Who is "our", and what culture do "we" have?

For Islam? I don't think so. I've stated my opinion on this matter many times before and I am of the opinion that far-right Islamism (Which is not the same as Islam) needs to be combatted.

Excuse me?
'Islam' is nothing in itself, it's too diffuse to be branded 'homophobic' in itself. Several strains are, yes, but not all of them. Secondly, most Islamist strains aren't fascist, as I've argue before. And the accusition of racism is just bullshit. There are virtually no race-oriented permutations of Islam (save for some black supremacist versions).

As does all religion.

'The Muslims'? Since when does the left homogenize groups, especially if this socially constructed 'identity' is very,very diffuse.

I agree partially on this one, the language and arguments in the first part of your post aren't helping though. What I do object to is the phrase 'even those who assimilated into OUR culture perfectly'. First of all, that assumes 'we' (whoever that may be) have a homogenic culture (I sure hope that's not the case), secondly it assumes a 'national identity' to which one has to conform in order to be 'ok', instead of thinking along class lines and progressive values. Values are not to be measured against 'national identity', but against progressive values and class lines.

I suggest you read this, a great piece arguing against thinking in terms of 'communities'. Ethnic lines are irrelevant. We should organise along class lines. It is the class war that matters, not the 'race question', whatever that may be.

I should be more specific- I'm referring to extreme muslims.

Extreme Islam buys the BNP most of its votes, if we cut out the (counter socialist) source of the perceived problem then the BNP and EDL wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

And when I said assimilated into our culture, I meant more our society. And when I said that I meant the British society (which I thought gores without saying as I'm talking about the BNP and EDL). I'm far from a nationalist, and the cultures of immigrants to the UK should be cherished and celebrated like all others- this is a multicultural society. But no individual culture should work for the oppression of other points of view. Not a white culture, a black one, asian, oriental, none of them. Each to their own but I'll be damned if I'm going to be forced to abide by religion- whether its islam, christianity, judaism or any other.

The Qu'aran says that homosexuals should be killed. How is that not homophobic? Its certainly sexist, only a complete and utter idiot would try to argue against that and that alone should be repugnant to anyone within the left.

so does the bible and the thora, do we also need "an plan of action for" christianity or judeaism?

Islamic fundamentalism needs tackling in Islamic communities. However we do not need a nation wide campaign thats just paranoia.

Absolutely yes.

Who cares about 'extremism'? If you can read German, I recommend this article in LOTTA #33. The 'extremism' construct (EC) is created by liberal-bourgois discourse and serves us no purpose. The EC serves to heap together ideologies as diverse as fascism, Islamism, Marxism and Anarchism. Ever wondered why radically anti-abortionist conservative Christianity is never grouped under the EC umbrella in Europe whilst conservative Islamism is? Rejecting and ideology based on whether or not it falls within the EC umbrella is succumbing to the logic and discourse of the liberal bourgoise state. I don't care whether a far-right Islamist group poses in an 'extreme' manner or not, I disapprove of it no matter what. The danger with the EC is accepting far-right Islamist groups preaching fully non-violent, non-provocative building of homogenic communities (non-Jihadist Salafism) in order to gain power and exert control over a community and implent a reactionary world-view. The same goes for 'decent' fascists who don't use violence but embed themselves in public opinion, media, debate and social structures in order to spread their world view. These reactionary ideologies are to be combatted no matter what, so the EC serves us no purpose at all.

Also, far-right Islamism doesn't cause the growth of the BNP, labour and conservative policies and the abandonment of several impoverished working class areas by labour kickstarted the process with conservative media and petit-bourgois opportunists jumping on the bandwagon causing an influx into the BNP.

Because a lot of Muslims don't give a shit whether it's in the Qu'aran or not. They choose to ignore it. Religion itself, whether homophobic or not is repugnant to me since it's anti-materialist and irrational but I'm not going to prevent people from believing in fairy tales as long as they are stripped from anti-progressive values. And this is the case with certain strains of Islam. Secondly, I agree homophobia and sexism should be combatted within Islam, but that doesn't mean we should start running around in circles screaming "U HOMOPHOBS GIV UP ISLAM". It means we should confront homophobic discourse EVERYWHERE. Eventually religion will wither away under socialism yes, but simply banning it and burning books isn't going to solve anything. Just like banning 'capitalist talk' and burning 'Atlas Shrugged' and 'Free to Choose' isn't going to stop capitalist cultural hegemony.

Oh, the way that you were talking one would imagine that you lived in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, not in a country where Muslims are a tiny minority who make up a mere 2.8 of the population (last census).

I find the idea of 'our' culture very worrying and not that far removed from the ideas of the right, who incidentally the entire anti-Islam campaign stems from.

Devrim

Britian's not experiencing "Islamisation". That's just racist paranoia.

Organizing against any religion is a stupid idea, but organizing against a religion of which the members are often victimized and are a tiny portion of the population is an even stupider idea.

Except it seems that this is exactly what you're arguing for.

Shouldn't we focus more on promoting the idea that any form of religious extremism is a bad thing? At the moment the media focuses very much on the threat from Islamic terrorism which is leading to people getting scared of muslims and racism, and anything specifically against Islamic religious extremism only adds to what seems to be pretty widespread paranoia, which in turn attracts racists and also makes people consider voting BNP to protect us from the "Islamic invasion."

(I might rephrase this later, I'm a little high)

This is the 'extremism' construct again. If you want to organise against the reactionary opiate that is religion, then organise against religion itself, no matter what incarnation. The rethorical device of 'extremism' is, as I said before, a double-edged sword. This is also the reason I avoid the usage of the terms like 'extremist racists', as if racism isn't to be crushed if it's not "extremist" (whatever that may be).

You clearly don't know much about Islam if you actually beleive this.

Shouldnt this be in the religion sub forum?

the generosity of the ruling class knows no bounds.

I always believed that freedom and equality to express what ever religion a person chooses was a corner stone of Socialism.
Islam for the most part is a peaceful ideology and when left to there own devices the Islamic community will peacefully co exist.
Modern extremism within Islam stems directly from Imperialist expansion into Islamic countries by the west Palestine Iraq Afghanistan Yemen Iran etc etc all breed Islamic fundamentalism and export terrorism because of the threat from western capitalist natural resource greed.
Fundamentalist Islam has some disgraceful practices but the rise in modern fundamentalist Islam is a product of Imperialist aggression and occupation the only “cure” for Islamic extremism is the destruction of Imperialism and Capitalism.

Islam4UK are a product of the British Intelligence Agencies MI5 helped set up this group to monitor extremists within the UK borders the existence of Islam4UK is essential for MI5 to be able to operate as it identifies young Muslims who hold extremist views to the intelligence community as historically these groups have been near impossible to infiltrate.
If you have a problem with Islam4UK I would suggest you take it up with MI5 as that’s who pulls its strings.