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Old 15th September 2009, 22:21
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So, I wrote the other day that the successes of the Maoist insurgency in India were likely being overstated.

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India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh says his country is losing the battle against Maoist rebels.

Mr Singh told a meeting of police chiefs from different states that rebel violence was increasing and the Maoists' appeal was growing.

The rebels say they are fighting for the rights of the poor.

They operate in a large swathe of territory across central India, and in some areas have almost replaced the local government.

More than 6,000 people have been killed during their 20-year fight for a communist state.

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"I have consistently held that in many ways, left-wing extremism poses perhaps the gravest internal security threat our country faces," Mr Singh told a conference of Indian police chiefs in the capital, Delhi.

"We have discussed this in the last five years and I would like to state frankly that we have not achieved as much success as we would have liked in containing this menace."

The prime minister said that despite the government's best efforts, violence in Maoist-affected areas was going up.

The prime minister admitted that the Maoists had growing appeal among a large section of Indian society, including tribal communities, the rural poor as well as sections of the intelligentsia and the youth.

Mr Singh said a more sensitive approach was necessary in dealing with the Maoists.

"Dealing with left-wing extremism requires a nuanced strategy - a holistic approach. It cannot be treated simply as a law and order problem."
The rebels operate in 182 districts in India, mainly in the states of Jharkhand, Bihar, Andhra Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra and West Bengal.

In some areas they have virtually replaced the local government and are able to mount spectacular attacks on government installations.

The rebels say they are fighting for the rights of poor peasants and landless workers.
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Let's not forget that the bourgeois also overstates things like this to increase their ability to repress such movements.

While it's quite clear from all accounts, and by statements like these that the Indian bourgeois class feels threatened, they do tend to overstate things. Take a look at what the US government did in the wake of the 9/11 attacks for years: We will lose everything without harsher torture/war/etc.

Although saying "we're losing" certainly is a sign that the Maoist are making them feel quite threatened.
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Indian Government plans massive countrywide military offensive against Maoists, "the gravest internal security threat", described by PM.

Asian Age Correspondent
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40,000 sq km under control of Naxals

Sept. 16: The Centre's growing concern over spread of Left-wing extremism stems from the fact that nearly 40,000 sq km area in the Naxal-affected states is in complete control of the banned outfit.

The parliamentary standing committee on home affairs, which met on Wednesday, observed that the 40,000 sq km area in Left-wing extremism states is impenetrable posing a major threat from Naxalites.

Home secretary G.K. Pillai told the first meeting of Parliament’s standing committee on home affairs that the problem of Maoists was growing rapidly and needed urgent action.
The near three-hour meeting of the panel, headed by BJP leader M. Venkaiah Naidu, was briefed by home ministry officials about the overall internal security situation with particular focus on Naxal menace and the threat from insurgents in the Northeast.
Notably, Manipur has been found lacking in action against insurgent groups even as development funds for the Northeast states is believed to be entering the hands of insurgent outfits.

The meeting of the parliamentary panel came a day after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described Left-wing extremism as the gravest internal security threat and called for a nuanced strategy to tackle the problem.

Countrywide offensive

Sept. 16: The Centre is planning a "countrywide offensive" by security forces to wipe out the Naxal menace in the country. The "action plan" for the proposed offensive was shared by the Intelligence Bureau with the top brass of state police forces during the annual DGPs conference held here.

Sources in the home ministry said that precise intelligence- based operations will be carried out "simultaneously" in various states to free the Maoist stronghold regions as also not allow them to take shelter in other parts of the country. The Intelligence Bureau, which gave its presentation on Left-wing extremism and discussed "specific operational details" of the planned operations, took note of the limitations of state police forces. The IB has proposed to expand the role of the multi-agency centre to enhance intelligence sharing and operational coordination among the police forces in the country.

The setting up of the 200-crore (25 million pounds) Crime and Criminal Tracking Network and Systems (CCTNS) in the country dominated the discussions on Wednesday with the home ministry urging states to fast-track the implementation of the ambitious project.

The modalities and functioning of the National Counter-Terrorism Centre (NCTC) order to strengthen the intelligence sharing and analysing mechanism in the country also came up for discussion during the three-day meet.

Besides, the issue of fake currency entering into the country through porous borders was tackled in a separate session.

The CCTNS project will ensure connectivity among different police stations in the country to share real-time information resulting in improved investigation and crime prevention and better tracking of criminals, suspects, accused and repeat offenders. The CCTNS project covers all 35 states and union territories and includes more than 14,000 police stations.
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Well lets hope that the Maoists can withstand such an attack.

It's certainly getting more intense:


Leak reveals India Maoist threat



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The rebels are fighting for communist rule in several Indian states

The Indian government has obtained a leaked report that reveals the strategy of the country's Maoist insurgents.
The report is formulated by the group's top policy-making body, the politburo.
It calls for attacks on Indian security forces and efforts to stop multi-national corporations from taking over mines in central and eastern India.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh says the insurgency is the single biggest threat to India's security. Maoist violence affects a third of all districts.
Last week, Mr Singh said India was losing the battle against the rebels.
The Maoists say they are fighting for the rights of the poor. They operate in a large swathe of territory across central and eastern India.
More than 6,000 people have been killed during their 20-year fight for a communist state.
'Bitter' fight
Calling upon Maoist cadres to mobilise and carry out "tactical" operations against India's security forces, the 20-page document says that Mr Singh's government is preparing to destroy their resistance.
Accusing the government of linking up with the "imperialist" United States, the Maoist report asks cadres to meticulously plan attacks against symbols of government and to "seize" political power.
Warning its cadres against becoming complacent, the politburo says that India is getting assistance from America and that it should learn from the failure of the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) in Sri Lanka.
It says the LTTE's failure to understand the changing tactics of the security forces eventually led to their defeat.
Maoists argue that big industrial houses, like India's Tata Group, are helped by the government in their attempts to wrest control of mines in eastern India.
The insurgents are calling upon the tribal population to participate in an armed struggle.
Maoist fighters are urged to tell local people that the Singh government wants to subdue them, destroy their culture and loot resources.
"This time the fight will be more long drawn and more bitter than the one against the British imperialist armies," the document says.
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Speaking at recent meetings on internal security India's Home Minister P Chidambaram said Maoists had improved their military and operational tactics.
Besides targeting the police, alleged police informers and so-called class enemies, the rebels are "laying greater emphasis on attacking economic and development infrastructure such as roads, bridges, railways, power and telecommunication networks," he said.
He also warned that the Maoists were making and deploying increasingly sophisticated bombs.
A senior official told the BBC that Mr Chidambaram has been trying to impress upon state governments that they should not take the threat posed by Maoists lightly.
He wants state governments to simplify procedures and increase the recruitment of security forces and use federal funds to buy weapons.
But, as a recent review by the home ministry showed, most states have been slow in understanding the seriousness of the situation.
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This is good news. The Maoists in India seem unstoppable for the moment. They cannot be destroyed as easily as the LTTE.

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Do the Naxalites only have supporters among the rural population and tribal communities or do they gain support from the working class in the bigger cities, too?
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Do the Naxalites only have supporters among the rural population and tribal communities or do they gain support from the working class in the bigger cities, too?
As far as I know, they are banned and so they organize the workers in cities through several mass organizations, not directly through the party.
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But they have support among the urban working class?
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Which urban working class supports naxalites? I have never heard of any working class support for them. Their base has been mainly in the peasant and tribal communities.
Naturally, an anti Maoist like you won't "hear" from workers that they support some banned communist party. If you did, you would report to the cops. So they won't tell you. Simple.
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Naturally, an anti Maoist like you won't "hear" from workers that they support some banned communist party. If you did, you would report to the cops. So they won't tell you. Simple.
This was an absolutely useless post and by no means an answer to this important question. I thought you would be able to give us some facts to back up your statements.
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The Maoists most likely have more support amongst the urban working class than Trotskyites or Ultra-Leftists.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/2100814.cms
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They don't appear as a threat to the Indian bourgeoisie at all
The head of the bourgeois state would disagree.
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"They have organised workers of mines and quarries and have waged successful struggles. "

http://www.bangalorenotes.com/naxalites.htm

Or are miners not workers anymore? Public sector workers of UK are the real proletariats of the world!
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This was an absolutely useless post and by no means an answer to this important question. I thought you would be able to give us some facts to back up your statements.
Socialist is one of those guys who do not wish to learn, but only to slander a revolutionary movement. Therefore, the way I answer his posts is exactly what he deserves.

You probably don't have any idea of what the state machinery in the third world is like. Here people are arrested and tortured to death by the cops for evenn saying in public that they support the communists(= Maoists).

In this situation, communists cannot even afford a mass-organization that can declare openly that it is affiliated to the communist party, until they have backed it up with enough men from the red army. For example, in India there has been a huge peoples' movement led by them in a place called Lalgarh. It started about a year ago. The state responded first by pouring in private armies, then the government forces themselves. The Indian red army has been able to counter both the attacks successfully, and is presently engaging a huge amount of government forces there.

http://www.bannedthought.net/India/Lalgarh/index.htm

So, it would be very natural to assume that the communist party would keep its working class movement at least semi-clandestine until it can afford insurrection in the cities, which is possible only when they take over in the countryside. From here it is up to you to judge the political-affiliation of several urban mass organizations that conduct workers' movements and campaign to popularize the same issues on which communists happen to be pressing.

However, keep an eye on the leading newspapers and the relevant blogs, and you will get enough evidence in support of my claim. By the way, the Indian government seems to be even more efficient than its Filipino counterpart in suppressing online information.

http://naxalresistance.wordpress.com/
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The Maoists most likely have more support amongst the urban working class than Trotskyites or Ultra-Leftists.

It says more than thousand words that you take a discussion about the revolutionary process in India only as a opportunity for your petty clamour against other revolutionary leftists.

I never intended to belittle the Naxalites but only to get information about the political and social conditions of their struggle. If you can not provide anything useful to this subject, it would be better to spare us such things.
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Socialist is one of those guys who do not wish to learn, but only to slander a revolutionary movement. Therefore, the way I answer his posts is exactly what he deserves.

You probably don't have any idea of what the state machinery in the third world is like. Here people are arrested and tortured to death by the cops for evenn saying in public that they support the communists(= Maoists).

In this situation, communists cannot even afford a mass-organization that can declare openly that it is affiliated to the communist party, until they have backed it up with enough men from the red army. For example, in India there has been a huge peoples' movement led by them in a place called Lalgarh. It started about a year ago. The state responded first by pouring in private armies, then the government forces themselves. The Indian red army has been able to counter both the attacks successfully, and is presently engaging a huge amount of government forces there.

http://www.bannedthought.net/India/Lalgarh/index.htm

So, it would be very natural to assume that the communist party would keep its working class movement at least semi-clandestine until it can afford insurrection in the cities, which is possible only when they take over in the countryside. From here it is up to you to judge the political-affiliation of several urban mass organizations that conduct workers' movements and campaign to popularize the same issues on which communists happen to be pressing.

However, keep an eye on the leading newspapers and the relevant blogs, and you will get enough evidence in support of my claim. By the way, the Indian government seems to be even more efficient than its Filipino counterpart in suppressing online information.

http://naxalresistance.wordpress.com/

Thanks for the links!
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It says more than thousand words that you take a discussion about the revolutionary process in India only as a opportunity for your petty clamour against other revolutionary leftists.

I never intended to belittle the Naxalites but only to get information about the political and social conditions of their struggle. If you can not provide anything useful to this subject, it would be better to spare us such things.
I posted two links.

Sorry though, i read yours and socialist's post and thought you were were trying to belittle the Naxalites as not "real communists" or whatever (socialist is doing this)
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