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Old 16th February 2008, 01:46
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I didnt get it on that site but obviously there is a common source. I think I might have got it from a site that looks a bit like dissident moonies if there is such a thing - I didnt really read the rest of the site, scaned it, it becomes garbage very quickly.

WHere its from doesnt matter (dont lets get distracted), I used it only cos its got pictures that post in this format and is a brief overview that allows us to scan down the page and see triadic after triadic relationship - thats the point. Nor is it very inaccurate, its a perfectly reasonable summary/

I'll be sorry I didnt do my own summary

The point that was raised is that everyone looks down on the thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis idea as not really representative of Hegel. the response is to say ok Hegel did not say that everything can be categorised as thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis....but he did categorise everything in triadic relationships like thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis and you can have a perfectly interesting discussion on why they are alike or the sense in which those triadic relationships are alike.

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I think this better describes Hegel's system:

Triadic Development
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I didnt get it on that site but obviously there is a common source. I think I might have got it from a site that looks a bit like dissident moonies if there is such a thing - I didnt really read the rest of the site, scaned it, it becomes garbage very quickly.

WHere its from doesnt matter (dont lets get distracted), I used it only cos its got pictures that post in this format and is a brief overview that allows us to scan down the page and see triadic after triadic relationship - thats the point. Nor is it very inaccurate, its a perfectly reasonable summary/

I'll be sorry I didnt do my own summary

The point that was raised is that everyone looks down on the thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis idea as not really representative of Hegel. the response is to say ok Hegel did not say that everything can be categorised as thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis....but he did categorise everything in triadic relationships like thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis and you can have a perfectly interesting discussion on why they are alike or the sense in which those triadic relationships are alike.
I never doubted the quality of the page. In fact I found the graph most informative. I just found it interesting that the Moonies took interest in Hegel's logic.
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What exactly is Hegel's definition of "notion"?
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Old 16th February 2008, 19:08
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I think this better describes Hegel's system:

Triadic Development
Thesis : Unemployed
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Synthesis: Unemployed former Pop Star.
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What exactly is Hegel's definition of "notion"?
The notion in Hegel is the adequate or truthfull conceptualisation of something.

It is, I think, important to have some idea such as the 'notion' in order to have a realist theory of truth, in order to be able to say that what we think is ultimately adequate to or not adequate to, more and/or less adequate to what it refers to. However, Hegel's reliance on the notion as a simply unproblematic idea of correspondence-in-essentials has to be rearticulated in a materialist way to be of any use.
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And, the a priori dogmatics society re-convenes its annual general meeting.
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I forgot to mention that if you want to understand the importance of thesis/antithesis/synthesis you need to work forward from Leibniz's 1693 essay On Wisdom to trace these ideas through the rationalist origins of German Idealism...
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You need to go back much further than that, right back into Neoplatonist and Hermetic mysticism to see where this 'ruling idea' came from. [Leibniz was a Hermetic thinker.]

Or, wait until I publish an essay on this in 2009 or 2010.
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Not really, something quite distinctive happened in Leibniz's critique of Descartes and it is that which provided some of the key distinctive features inherited by German Idealism

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Yes, he resurrected ancient Hermetic and NeoPlatonic ideas.

Leibniz was a syncretist par excellence.

http://www.philosophy.leeds.ac.uk/GM...s/renplat.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=0jL...xgsTjUk_dsXPAs

http://books.google.com/books?id=NFI...9gbtweK-OmfvPs
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It is also worth recalling the comments made by Hegel on Kant at the end of the relevant chapter of Vol 3 of his History of Philosophy. There he gently chides Kant for expressing everything in thesis, antithesis and synthesis, but concludes somewhat condescendingly "it is a good introduction to Philosophy."
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Thesis : Unemployed
ANtithesis: Pop Star
Synthesis: Unemployed former Pop Star.
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