Lets begin calling ourselves "Marxist-Bolshevists"

  1. A.R.Amistad
    A.R.Amistad
    I think the name "Bolshevik-Leninist" is kind of redundant. Lenin was a Bolshevik and Bolshevism was largely the ideology influenced by Lenin. "Trotskyist" (nothing against comrade Trotsky) seems to put to much on one man. The name "Bolshevik-Leninist" leaves out our primary influence: Marxism. I hereby assert that we Trotskyists, of all shapes and sizes, come to call ourselves "Marxist-Bolsheviks." Lenin and Trotsky were Bolsheviks, and we are Marxists as well, of course. It also gives credence to Trotsky's "Bolshevism and Stalinism." Which separates the two, and in fact Stalin himself came to disassociate with the name when he was in power.
  2. Muzk
    no more names please. we arent like those maoists with their marxism-leninism-maoism-gonzalo bullshit


    besides, who cares about names? they are the basis of sectarianism, or even worse violence IRL. we trots are the jews of communism
  3. The Ben G
    The Ben G
    What about 'Bolshevik Marxist-Leninists'?
  4. The Ben G
    The Ben G
    Quote Originally Posted by Muzk
    we trots are the jews of communism
    Can I put that in my Sig?
  5. Muzk
    of course
  6. redphilly
    redphilly
    terminology is useful to a point. I generally prefer to describe my politics as Bolshevism, but revolutionary socialist, sometimes communist and, at times, even Trotskyist (or Leninist) are useful labels. Agreed that we don't need to go down the weird road that maoism has traveled in the "name game."
  7. Q
    Q
    Let's call ourselves ultra-communists and take everyone by surprise.
  8. Rosa Lichtenstein
    Rosa Lichtenstein
    I can live with 'Anti-dialectical Marxists', but I suspect few will agree with me.
  9. chegitz guevara
    chegitz guevara
    We should call ourselves, Tim.
  10. Chambered Word
    Chambered Word
    What be wit dis 'Marxist-Bolshevists' shiznit? Trotgoats 4 lyfe yo.
  11. Crux
    Crux
    Recognizing our Bolshevik heritage is essential, but calling ourselfes Bolsheviks (or in correct russian Bosheviki i e "Majority") is redundant. I usually call myself a revolutionary socialist, if I have specify further Marxist, and if I have specify yet further a trotskyist. I think, given the collapse of reformism, reclaiming the term "socialist", in most countries at least, will not be that hard.

    I also like foxtrot.
  12. A.R.Amistad
    A.R.Amistad
    Lets put it to a vote. So far, mine is for Tim
  13. A.R.Amistad
    A.R.Amistad
    I can live with 'Anti-dialectical Marxists', but I suspect few will agree with me.
    Rosa, please, not here. I'm begging you.
  14. Chambered Word
    Chambered Word
    I'm voting for Trotgoats. Didn't KC call himself one? Where the hell did he go, anyway?
  15. Lenina Rosenweg
    Lenina Rosenweg
    I was going to suggest "Bob", but perhaps that name has already been taken by another tendency. In that case how about "revolutionary socialists?"
  16. A.R.Amistad
    A.R.Amistad
    how bouts revolutionary communists?
  17. blake 3:17
    blake 3:17
    Bolshevism arose in a particular set of national historical circumstances, and I don't see much point in trying to ape it -- other than leading a successful workers revolution...

    The FIers and post IS folks here usually call themselves revolutionary socialists. In certain circles I do refer to myself as a revolutionary communist -- the problem with that is the RCP-USA.

    Figuring out a proper label is less important than actual theory and practice.

    It also gives credence to Trotsky's "Bolshevism and Stalinism." Which separates the two, and in fact Stalin himself came to disassociate with the name when he was in power.
    Stalin was a Bolshevik long before Trotsky was.
  18. chegitz guevara
    chegitz guevara
    Quote Originally Posted by blake 3:17
    Stalin was a Bolshevik long before Trotsky was.
    Plus, I don't think Trotsky ever really understood Bolshevism. Most of the groups that continue on in his name certainly don't seem to do so.

    Bolshevism was a lot more open and multi-tendency than your average Trotskyist organization. The discipline in such groups is far tighter, with a strict democratic centralism that was unknown in the Bolsheviks until after the November Revolution.

    Which is what the Maoists, Stalinists, and Hoxhaists have all got wrong too.
  19. The Ben G
    The Ben G
    My vote is for Ultra left revisionist trolls.
  20. Crux
    Crux
    Quote Originally Posted by The Ben G
    My vote is for Ultra left revisionist trolls.
    "YOU'RE SO CRAAAZY!"
  21. chegitz guevara
    chegitz guevara
    If I had a tongue like that ...
  22. Geiseric
    Geiseric
    haha ultra communists!! Yes! Either that or Marxist-leninist-trotskyist-socialist
  23. Rosa Lichtenstein
    Rosa Lichtenstein
    In fact, we should call ourselves "Bolschismatic Sectarians" since it's the only thing we are all good at -- although some are much better at this than others.
  24. Geiseric
    Geiseric
    the organisation i'm in isn't sectarian :/ look up socialist organiser, it's the U.S. Branch of the 4th.
  25. Rosa Lichtenstein
    Rosa Lichtenstein
    ^^^I'm glad to hear it, but I remain sceptical.
  26. socialist_n_TN
    socialist_n_TN
    I usually just say Marxist of the Trotskyist tendency. Sometimes Bolshevik-Leninist like LD did.

    We had an interesting discussion on democratic centralism just a couple of weeks ago in my workers power group. I don't see it as that restrictive myself.
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