Yet another example of disgusting slander

  1. khad
    khad
    http://www.revleft.com/vb/just-repub....html?t=131177

    "the largest republican 'socialist' party in Ireland the IRSP, was frequently referred to here as 'I Rob Shops and Post-Offices"

    This guy has to be a, well, you know what.
  2. PRC-UTE
    PRC-UTE
    I don't understand why he cares that the irps used to do robberies to fund the struggle. Lots of other revolutionaries have done the same.
  3. Philosophical Materialist
    Philosophical Materialist
    In the struggle for national liberation, ultra-leftists have nothing to offer.
  4. Palingenisis
    How are they ultra-leftist? They seem to be against anything that crosses the line of legality and only interested in economic struggles.
  5. Palingenisis
  6. Palingenisis
    Whats the story with Devrim?...Honestly you would think he is being paid to write that shit.
  7. No pasarán
    No pasarán
    I think its strange both him and madvillany refer to ulster as northern ireland.. well if devrim is turkish born maybe he doesn't see it as so unusual.. but if madvillany's location is accurate- he's obvious anti republican and considered himself a brit?
  8. Palingenisis
    Id like to know where Devrim stands on Kurdistan.

    I mean critise the INLA/IRSP but try to understand the historical context.

    He is like some capitalist journalist.
  9. Hoggy_RS
    Hoggy_RS
    Ah devrim is the local anti-republican idiot on here, spouting tabloid nonsense at every chance. Soon you'll see the rest of the pro-brit trendies piling in on his side. You might even hear some refer to brit soldiers as workers if your lucky.
  10. No pasarán
    No pasarán
    Well seems that bollox devrim has shut his hole for the moment. Lets see how long it is before he starts up again though.
  11. Red Commissar
    Red Commissar
    They can say these things, from the comfort of their homes. Their words on this forum have little bearing on the struggle for Ireland though, and I doubt a lot of the people talking in that manner would be willing to take up arms against oppression.

    I guess what I'm getting at is to not take them too seriously. It is frustrating but shouldn't detract us.
  12. Communist
    Communist
    Yeah after I saw the current thread in Theory I sent off a PM to comrade PRC UTE and comrade Hoggy was already there. Every time these come up it's the same, but not quite so fierce and absurd as before, I will say that.
  13. PRC-UTE
    PRC-UTE
    Quote Originally Posted by Palingenisis
    How are they ultra-leftist? They seem to be against anything that crosses the line of legality and only interested in economic struggles.
    You're right that they're very economistic- but then they're opposed to unions, so they're more like economistic in a useless way

    Here in the republican socialist tendency group we're fairly Leninist, so we tend to go by Lenin's work Left Wing Communism an Infantile Disorder. So that's probably what the CPGB ML comrade Philosophical Materialist was referring to. Basically ultra lefties are those who make too many principles of issues that don't need to be principles- like being in principle against all electoral work, or being in principle against unions, national lib, etc.
  14. PRC-UTE
    PRC-UTE
    Quote Originally Posted by Palingenisis
    Whats the story with Devrim?...Honestly you would think he is being paid to write that shit.
    a lot of the ultra lefties sound like Thatcherites in their mad rush to call republicans criminals. it was shocking to me at first as I've never met most of these colourful political tendencies in real life...

    it's interesting when some bring up the darkley hall massacre as "proof" that the INLA was/is a sectarian army. AFAIK, being completely honest, it's the only sectarian attack that has been attributed in any way to the irps, and even then it wasn't something ordered by the INLA. If you read some of the literature on the irps out there, such as the book which is regarded as a tabloid smear by many, INLA: Deadly Divisions, it doesn't portray the irps as being a sectarian (anti-Protestant) movement.

    Which leads me to wonder if the people who use that smear aren't aware of this reality (and so aren't as well informed as they claim to be) or if they just hope no one will challenge their cherry picked version of IRSM history.
  15. PRC-UTE
    PRC-UTE
    Quote Originally Posted by No pasarán
    I think its strange both him and madvillany refer to ulster as northern ireland.. well if devrim is turkish born maybe he doesn't see it as so unusual.. but if madvillany's location is accurate- he's obvious anti republican and considered himself a brit?
    ah check out the lunacy over at libcom sometime. actually on second thought, don't. But anyway, they'll say stuff like after their anarchist revolution in Northern Ireland they'll attack Costello House (the IRSP HQ) with tanks...
  16. Palingenisis
    Actually the Libarary at libcom is pretty amazing...However the forums are out and out psycho. They viciously mocked a fellow anarchist from Cornwall for being supportive of the language and seperatist movement there. They labelled the Workers Solidarity Movement "deeply reactionary" for holding a meeting in an Irish language centre. For all their internationalism such things strike me as "British" chauvanism. But didnt one anarchist in the really mad group in 6 counties join the IRSP and even ended up in a leadership position?
  17. Palingenisis
    http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5664857/

    This is a little cartoon some of the anarcho-loyalists put together about another anarchist group in Ireland...Anybody who realises how anti-republican the group they are making fun is will find it hilarious...But when you think about it its all pretty psycho.
  18. No pasarán
    No pasarán
    Quote Originally Posted by PRC-UTE
    a lot of the ultra lefties sound like Thatcherites in their mad rush to call republicans criminals. it was shocking to me at first as I've never met most of these colourful political tendencies in real life...
    Ha, that made me smile. Partly cos its true. It seems what some of them suffer from is a bit of self rightousness and something of a superiority complex.

    I am not a IRSP member but I do support what they do and I am working class- so how does that make the organisation anti-working class? Everyone who I know supports them in eire, is of a working class background.
  19. Palingenisis
    Quote Originally Posted by PRC-UTE
    You're right that they're very economistic- but then they're opposed to unions, so they're more like economistic in a useless way
    .
    Well Gauche Proletarianne which was a Maoist group in France (and actually ended up being made illegal!) was also very critical of the Trade Unions...I dont know enough about the situation in the six counties but here in the Free State SIPTU could well be described as anti-working class. They have been in social parternship for years (though thats kind of cracking up now) and seem totally unconcerned about the non-unionized who make up most of the class here, and forget uniting "legal" and "illegal" workers. However the Independent Workers' Union who were interviewed in the last edition of the Starry Plough which was sold on the newstand outside of Easons seem very cool...It would be good if someone could post that interview here. I would support them totally but not the big Unions.
  20. MaoTseHelen
    MaoTseHelen
    I don't understand why he cares that the irps used to do robberies to fund the struggle. Lots of other revolutionaries have done the same.
    Yeah, but in fairness, the condemnation hasn't come down equally.
  21. Red Commissar
    Red Commissar
    I suggest those of you who are passionate about this issue address recent surge of threads blasting Irish Republicanism.
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