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Old 10th November 2009, 02:18
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Those that voted yes can go straight to hell
Oh because that's how we argue in the left.
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Thankfully you're idea's are so irrelivent in societies across the world that you may aswel go straight to hell.
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the end of a repressive imperial state is always good (though it still exists in different forms today) whether it is neoliberal capitalist or state capitalist such as the USSR
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Indeed, there were massive differences. So massive infact, you might even say it was a different way of organising society, a different "mode of production"
and if you think that mode of production was under workers control and not the centralized bureaucracy and party elites in the USSR, you are delusional

as has already been stated, '22 was the real defeat when the revolution was hijacked.
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73% in the left view 1989 as a defeat. And all that propaganda from cappies and anarchists seems to have gone to waste...


I feel for them.
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73% in the left view 1989 as a defeat. And all that propaganda from cappies and anarchists seems to have gone to waste...


I feel for them.
Honestly.
Well, no, that isn't accurate. 60 people have voted in this poll. How many members are there on this website?

And you say that others are the propagandists.
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I have repeated reading the phrase "workers control", but I am very eager to know how this can be done in reality, without any representative party, without any kind of organization that will end up in "repression".
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I'm no fan of the eastern block , but this was mainly a counterrevolutionary uprising.
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You know what?

I'm going to vote defeat.

Again, I have no love for the old USSR, but in light of what happened in the aftermath, and the implications that carry on to this day, things have quite simply gotten worse for workers worldwide. Sure, there is some resistance in places like South America, but overall, capitalism now rules the world unhindered, and we're all worse off for it.
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The two terms presented here are quite black and white and that never really covers the right answer.

As far as the question goes, however, I'd say that in the most broad sense the fall of the Soviet Union was a victory, and that the Russians exiting Eastern Europe was certainly a step forward. Now, naturally, the claims that living standards in these countries have decreased and that is a valid point, however, the removal of foreign troops would, in my opinion, take precedence. Though there were many countries which should have been weened off of Mocows control (Yugoslavia comes to mind) but for the most part I'd say it wasn't necessarily a progressive step, but something that was bound to happen and needed to happen. Not too different from that day when America packs up and leaves Europe and Japan., though the removal of the US won't facilitate the uprisings and overthrowing of the system which occured and forced the Russians and the soviet system out.
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