RevLeft http://www.revleft.com/vb/ A place for leftist discussion en Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:35:34 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/misc/rss.jpg RevLeft http://www.revleft.com/vb/ <![CDATA[Indonesia's "Transition to the New Order"--aka, 500,000 killed in capitalist genocide]]> http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141109&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:25:19 GMT I'm reading about this, and I'm very interested; apparently, many hundreds of thousands of Indonesians who supported communist activities or who were against capitalist rule were massacred and in Java and had their bodies dumped on the road side;

http://caliber.ucpress.net/doi/abs/1....2002.42.4.550

freaky shit; how come know one knows about such a genocide in the west? does anyone else know more about it?

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Beginning in later October 1965, and feeding off pent-up communal hatreds, the Indonesian army and its civilian allies (especially Muslim vigilante groups) began to kill actual and suspected[15] members and associates of the PKI. The killings started in the capital Jakarta, spread to Central and East Java, and later Bali. Although killings occurred across Indonesia, the worst were in PKI strongholds of Central Java, East Java, Bali, and northern Sumatra.[23] The massacres reached their peak over the remainder of the year before subsiding in the early months of 1966.[24] The estimates of the death toll of the violence range from over 100,000 to 3 million, but most scholars accept a figure of around 500,000.[25] Many others were also imprisoned and for the next ten years people were still being imprisoned as suspects. It is thought that as many as 1.5m were imprisoned at one stage or another.[26] As a result of the purge, one of Sukarno's three pillars of support, the Indonesian Communist Party, had been effectively eliminated by the other two, the military and political Islam.
]]> Politics Adi Shankara http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141109 Is the Tea Party Canada-bound? http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141108&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:58:08 GMT hurf durf toronto sun (http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/08/30/15188636.html) ---Quote--- OTTAWA - Are Canadians getting fed up with... hurf durf toronto sun

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OTTAWA - Are Canadians getting fed up with government regulations, rules and taxes? The man behind an attempt to start a Tea Party movement in Canada hopes so.

This past weekend hundreds of thousands of Americans flocked to Washington for a rally about taking back their country. They came to hear speakers such as Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, and although not explicitly a Tea Party event, the crowd drew many from the movement that calls for government to get government off the backs of hard working people.

Andrew Lawton wants to bring that spirit to Canada.

Lawton, a conservative-leaning activist from London, Ont., is one of the organizers behind an online attempt to start a Tea Party movement in Canada.

Starting with a Facebook group, Lawton says there are plans for rallies this fall in Ottawa and Quebec City. Other cities may be added.

There are differences between the two countries Lawton acknowledges but adds the basis of the movement is the same.

“The issues differ but the ideology stays the same. Advocating for smaller government, freedom and letting people live their own lives.”

“One person came up to me recently and said that freedom is an American value,” said Lawton. “That’s not true. It’s an attitude I want to change.”
Complimentary facebook link. ]]> Politics Salyut http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141108 One Major Flaw in Capitalist Thinking http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141106&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:54:21 GMT Another major flaw that needs to be noted is the idea that people who work in a specialized field do so, not because they want to do what they do,... Another major flaw that needs to be noted is the idea that people who work in a specialized field do so, not because they want to do what they do, but because they want to make money.

This is a major flaw I've seen spewed from the capitalists I've encountered. However, they don't understand that people work certain jobs for certain reasons: they have to, they want to, they make money, and a mixture of those. It depends on what they are pressured to do, they can afford to do, they want to do, they are able to do etc.

But the majority of those who work in specialized fields: doctor, nuclear engineer, computer programmer, lawyer, teacher, marine biologist etc. do it because it's what they enjoy doing and are interested in that field, not because they want to make a lot of money.

Many people who want to be doctors because they want to help people, can't, because of economic positions. Capitalists cannot comprehend this idea.

What should i expect? A capitalist sees what he wants to see. And he sees society based on greed because he is greedy. He sees people want to be doctors to make money because that's the only reason he would become one. ]]> Opposing Ideologies Hailtothethief http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141106 The Green Party of the United States http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141105&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:34:48 GMT The Green Party does not accept corporate dollars. The Green Party does not accept corporate dollars. ]]> Learning leninfan http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141105 The Green Party of the United States http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141104&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:33:28 GMT I've been off the boards for over 550 days... What are some opinions on the GPUSA? ]]> History leninfan http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141104 Batting for Iranian workers http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141103&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:20:24 GMT http://www.cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1004073 *Batting for Iranian workers Kelly King congratulates everyone on a friendly... http://www.cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1004073



Batting for Iranian workers



Kelly King congratulates everyone on a friendly match that raised a thousand pounds

This year’s solidarity cricket match between Hands Off the People of Iran and the Labour Representation Committee - a fund -raiser for the Workers Fund Iran charity - contained all the excitement you might expect from an August bank holiday: a torrential shower, a gallant but unavailing run chase by the LRC, and another CPGB member joining the ‘golden duck club’. Around 50 people attended the 32-over game last Sunday in Victoria Park, east London.

All the weather reports had predicted golden sunshine, but after captain John Sidwell won the toss Hopi went out to bat first under gloomy grey skies. Their youngest player, James Carruthers, a stalwart wicketkeeper aged just 15, opened the batting in partnership with Martin Jones. The partnership was not to last: a fast ball on target bowled by Mary Partington took the first wicket for the LRC, and James was replaced by Vic Marelic, dashing out to bat so quickly that he wore a child’s helmet over his sunglasses, and completely forgot his gloves. Martin Jones retired after his cool half-century, and anyone who attended last year’s match will be relieved that Ben Lewis stayed in well past the first ball, eventually notching up 43 runs before finding himself at the wrong end of a more than controversial lbw decision from the umpire, Weekly Worker editor Peter Manson. Sidwell and newcomer Luke Mackenzie went on to bat steadily until the darkening clouds opened around 2.30, and both teams retired - or rather raced off - with the spectators trying to stay dry under two small gazebos. It was clearly time for lunch.

Players and supporters tucked into their sausages, burgers and salad as they huddled together under the crowded awnings. Drinks sales shot up as the rain poured down. Special thanks go to Milly Morris for managing to keep the barbecues alight throughout the downpour, while her daughters, Iggy and Bella, showed off their lightning-fast arithmetic behind the busy bar for most of the day.

Eventually the rain slowed to a trickle and the two captains, John Sidwell and Sean McNeill, in consultation with umpire Manson, decreed that it was safe to continue. Hopi eventually reached 175 runs, despite the best efforts of LRC bowlers Partington, Rowan Kennedy, Andrew Fisher and Jim Gleeson. The LRC then came out to bat, and with them came the sunshine. Within half an hour all evidence of the storm was erased, as the outfield started to dry up and the skies turned blue.

It is worth noting that the LRC fielded a slim-line but extremely game team: several last-minute cancellations led to a desperate shortage of batsmen, meaning that some players had to bat twice and Hopi comrade James Turley came out for the other side at number nine wearing black trousers and shoes! Such lack of respect for cricketing decorum did not go unpunished by the gods, and he was bowled by Sidwell for a golden duck.

Pressure mounted as virtuoso bowlers Sidwell and (Martin’s brother) Gareth Jones bowled a series of unplayable deliveries, but Partington and McNeill put up the best partnership of the afternoon, and McNeill also provided the quote of the day after facing lethally slow bowler Frances Grahl: “I told myself I couldn’t get out to someone wearing denim hot pants!”

At the end of an exciting day, the LRC’s brave fight brought them 94 runs, but they couldn’t catch up with Hopi. Mary Partington and Martin Jones were declared player’s player by the respective teams, and Hopi would have been presented with a shield but for someone forgetting to pick it up from the engravers.

Summing up the day, Yassamine Mather reminded everybody of the serious political work that must continue after the beer and barbecue had been cleared away. She gave more bad news from a factory threatened with closure in Iran, and smilingly added that the workers had been pleased to hear about a cricket match played in London, despite their own critical situation.

This is the message we need to take away from Sunday: while we can congratulate ourselves on a fun and friendly match which raised around a thousand pounds for Workers Fund Iran (www.workersfund.org), we cannot walk away from the pitch, unstrap our pads and forget about Iran until next August. Cricketers and spectators - find out now what more you can do for Hopi. ]]> Die Neue Zeit http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141103 Overwhelming turnout for first Protest the Pope event http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141101&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:09:56 GMT News item on Protest the Pope debate (Sept. 1st) in London. First Protest the Pope event (a debate on the Papal visit at Conway Hall) sent a... News item on Protest the Pope debate (Sept. 1st) in London.

First Protest the Pope event (a debate on the Papal visit at Conway Hall) sent a clear message to the Catholic apologists involved. The UK will not tolerate hate cults and does not easily forgive child abuse. The massive crowd exceeded all expectations and was in no mood to hear feeble excuses and hypocritical rhetoric.

A Catholic spokesman said: -

"The sobering fact is that Protest the Pope have whipped up and created an anti-Catholic mob which they plan to set loose on Pope Benedict and Catholics attending the papal events. The police are going to have their hands full protecting us."

No. It is your crimes not Protest the Pope which is responsible for the anger. You made your bed now lie in it.

With comments like this how do they expect people to react?

A leading adviser to the Archbishop of Westminster has blamed abortion and gay rights for turning Britain into a “selfish, hedonistic wasteland” which has become “the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death”.

AND
Mexico City Archdiocese spokesman Hugo Valdemar : -

He affirmed, “I do not know of any of you who would like to be adopted by a pair of lesbians or a pair of fags.”

The Vatican seems to think they can set them selves up above the law, can ignore public opinion, can flaunt their contempt for REAL morals and justice and the public will just sit still and do nothing.

PROTEST THE POPE is sending a clear message that those days are over. ]]> Upcoming Events PaulKing http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141101 Community Run Markets in Venezuela to Use Communal Bank Cards http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141100&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:59:03 GMT *Community Run Markets in Venezuela to Use Communal Bank Cards* By TAMARA PEARSON - VENEZUELANALYSIS.COM Mérida, September 1st 2010... Community Run Markets in Venezuela to Use Communal Bank Cards
By TAMARA PEARSON - VENEZUELANALYSIS.COM

Mérida, September 1st 2010 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – Yesterday, President Hugo Chavez announced the creation of a new bank card that can be used to purchase food at affordable prices in new community run supermarkets called “Biceabastos,” and to maintain accounts in a new system of communal banks linked to state owned banks.

The announcement was the latest step forward in the government-sponsored formation of communes as an alternative form of community governance. In the process, communal councils, which are community decision-making bodies grouping together around 100 to 400 families, link together into a broader form of organisation that includes community production and consumer needs.

The president made the announcement during a visit to the commune “Victoria Socialista” in Antimano, Caracas, accompanied by various United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) candidates to the upcoming parliamentary elections.

The Victoria Socialista commune unites 17 communal councils and provides a range of services to those communities, including a communal bank, a free internet centre, a community library, and a “biceabasto;” a name derived from Spanish words meaning Bicentenary Supply Store. All the services are run by the communal councils.

The commune will also have a Communal Bank Terminal (Tbcom) soon, where local community members can deposit and withdraw money and apply for loans. The first Tbcom was inaugurated two weeks ago in another part of Caracas. The initiative aims to help develop communal economies and to “bankarise” some of the more marginalised sectors where many people do not have bank accounts.

Victoria Socialista’s Biceabasto, named after liberator Simon Bolivar’s partner, Manuela Saenz, serves around 200 people per day, to benefit a total of 1,700 families.

Comparing the Biceabasto to a commercial shopping centre, Chavez said, “Here there’s no robbery, nor speculation,” but he emphasised that in the Biceabasto, the products were not subsidised, but rather had “fair” prices.

Chavez said that in two weeks the Biceabastos will have electronic terminals for people to use the communal bank cards, which will also be able to be used in other state owned food markets, such as the Mercals and PDVALs.

Chavez called the cards, “cards for living well” because they are for “necessary consumption, not consumerism.” The card will be supplied by the state owned Bank of Venezuela, which was nationalized in 2008.

According to the minister for commerce, Richard Canan, as of the start of August there were 21 biceabastos employing 4,345 workers. By comparison, there are 37,000 workers in the PDVALs, Mercals, and food houses. The government hopes to create 200 biceabastos by the end of the year.

The state run and community run food markets are part of the government’s “food sovereignty” strategy to guarantee basic food products to the population at affordable prices and to avoid the scarcity of certain items of food caused by profit-driven hoarding.

During his tour of the commune, Chavez also invited the community and television viewers to think about the creation of an urban agriculture law to facilitate the recuperation of urban spaces for planting food.

“We need to fill the cities with sowing, with urban agriculture... the cities need to be self-sustainable,” he said.

The National Assembly is currently working on a Commune Law to help govern the formation of the communes.

Source ]]> Politics The Vegan Marxist http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141100 Favorite Subgenres of Punk.. http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141098&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:46:09 GMT So you dirty bums whats your style.. Mine personally would have to be hardcore. How can you go wrong with 1 min songs at 300 beats per minute;... So you dirty bums whats your style..

Mine personally would have to be hardcore. How can you go wrong with 1 min songs at 300 beats per minute; proper dancing speed.

Edit:I didn't add Crust because I personally have a strong distaste for it and I forgot all about it. ]]> Music http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141098 ANOTHER Oil Rig Explosion! More Oil Spill! http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141096&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:24:31 GMT *Oil Rig Leaking After Explosion: Another Gulf Oil Spill?* By: MEGAN FRIEDMAN Image:... Oil Rig Leaking After Explosion: Another Gulf Oil Spill?
By: MEGAN FRIEDMAN



The Coast Guard is reporting that a mile-long oil sheen is spreading from the site of today's oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico, according to the Associated Press.

The location of the rig, as seen in the graphic above, is about 200 miles west of BP's Deepwater Horizon rig. Thirteen workers were present during the explosion, but all are still alive and were spotted floating in the water wearing emergency gear called gumby suits.

A commercial helicopter first spotted the explosion, the cause of which is still being investigated early Thursday afternoon. (See dramatic photos of history's biggest oil spills)

Luckily, there's some good news: Even if the situation becomes severe, the cleanup process would be much easier on this platform than during the BP debacle. The AP reports that this well was dug in shallow water, unlike BP's rig, and this makes cleaning oil off the ocean floor much simpler.

During an initial flyover of the area, officials did not spot any oil spilling, though this new sheen may change reports.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/02/...ulf-oil-spill/ ]]> Politics The Vegan Marxist http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141096 Hello http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141095&goto=newpost Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:05:25 GMT I joined this forum to gain more information on general leftist politics and goings on worldwide, as before this I hadnt found a forum for the likes.... I joined this forum to gain more information on general leftist politics and goings on worldwide, as before this I hadnt found a forum for the likes. I've always considered myself Anti Fascist from even when I was younger not seeing how people can be as ignorant to discriminate against someone for there race. I became more interested in the poltical side and combating fascists through being involved with the football scene and being exposed to the Green Brigade an anti-fascist group from Celtic FC in Scotland. Being involved with football I have also been exposed to several members of the English Defence League who are some of the thickest and most ignorant people I've had the misfortune to come across. So I joined this forum to talk to more people with the same ideas and who also want to see the end of the EDL and other racist groups in Britain and the world today.

:thumbup1: ]]> Introductions Souljacker http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141095 <![CDATA[Religion's impact on society]]> http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141094&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:47:25 GMT In history, religion was manily a control defice over the masses. Today (in America) we have the 'Freedom of Religion', but how much of this affects our society? I am an athiest, and I have the belief that the corruption of most religion, only hinders society from any real progression, not that i exactly know where I personally want society (as far as government system) to go. I'm very much a socialist, I think that religion has no true positive impact on today's society that it couldn't get elsewhere. I guess I'm really asking, is if anyone agrees that the first step to progressing society to a more socal society, is through abolishing organized religion.

Futhemore, I'm in no wanting some kind of violent exterpation of religion, I don't want to know theories on how or how impossible this task to be. Just wanting opinions how to progress from the current religious ferver, and hatred that it comes with. ]]> Learning Polyphobic http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141094 Dangerous neo-nazi on Youtube -- Possible Illegal Hacker! http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141093&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:29:55 GMT His name is waffen1andser, his channel is simply youtube / user / waffen1andser

Don't be fooled by it, all of the channel information provided is false. Not even his real name.

Somehow, this guy can find trace your IP from your youtube comments and posts. If you give him any other information such as an email or anything else, or if he looks up your IP enough, etc. He will provide full personal information about you including home address, phone number and a picture of where you live to his Nazi friends. This person encourages another holocaust to happen and is an incredible hate monger. He will track you down relentlessly until he finds all of your information and gives it out to his nazi friends. Even if you simply disagree with him about genocide this person will endlessly track you down.

I do not have the computer skills to obtain his IP and other information but if you want to fight anti-fascism I suggest anyone with the know how to do so.

Any videos about Adolf Hitler or sieg heil he usually posts comments in.

Be cautious friends.

He is a possible hacker because somehow he traced my facebook from an email I only use for youtube and for nothing else. He has been attempting to hack it. ]]> Trashcan frankwant http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141093 Bush Toasts A Dictator http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141092&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:25:58 GMT Sick! The assassination of Aquino has echoes of the Kennedy assassination. The assailant was killed afterward to make it look like a lone gunman plot... Sick! The assassination of Aquino has echoes of the Kennedy assassination. The assailant was killed afterward to make it look like a lone gunman plot and to keep him quiet.


http://videos.howstuffworks.com/hsw/...rcos-video.htm ]]> History Mengistu Haile Mariam http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141092 Just wanted to bounce around some ideas http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141091&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:06:13 GMT Hi, I've been reading this forum for a while now and I've noticed some really intelligent people and posts. I consider myself a Leftist although I'll admit that my views are pretty murky at the moment and I just wanted the opportunity to have some dialogue with people who can at least see where I am coming from. Maybe I should have put this thread in the questions section but I wanted people from all sides of the poltical spectum to have the opportunity to answer.
So basically I have some questions that I want to pose to people who maybe have thought about these issues more than I have, are more widely read, or just have some good ideas. I sympathize largely with libertarian socialists, or municipal communists- or rather I agree with having the workers in control of the means of production but not with a coercive centralized state USSR style, as I see state socialism as replacing one type of hierarchy (capital) with another (beurocracy backed by the threat of violence).
My first problem, where I disagree with the radical agenda, is the idea that revolutionary violence (in first world countries) is a viable strategy to combat the present neo-liberalist system. It seems to me that in first world countries there just is not the impetus, the conditions on the ground, to successfully have a Russian style revolution. No one is starving to death, universal healthcare has spread almost everywhere and even in the US most people have some kind of coverage. Our problem now a days is one of enormous inequalities of opportunity where your future is determined by your class, the vandalization of our urban landscape, the false options present by our "democracy" and the lack of power people have over their lives, and the cheapening of our culture through consumerism. Violence I think would be completely ineffective in the current climate and also morally wrong because it would just perpetuate power structures it is seeking to abolish.
The most effective antidote to this (I think) is not to try to advance an anachronistic idea of class warfare. Most people since the fall of the USSR get turned off by the word Marxist, maybe you think this is unfortunate but it is surely true. It seems to me that the solution is not to try to repeat 1917 or 1968. Now don't get me wrong I think that social democracy has failed spectacularly (see New Labour and the US Democratic Party) and the answer isn't party politics. Rather it is to create locally based poltical movements, and I stress the word movements, that actually go out and do things, e.g. work with the elderly, homeless, create green spaces, promote cooperatives and labour unions, with the overarching goal of creating a dual system where the traditional venues of power, big buisness and big government, become less and less important in people's lives until they wither away replaced by people becoming poltically engaged in their own localities.
Alright I apologize in advance for the rambling, incomplete, and at times incomprehensible post.
To those of you that are just going to call me names (idiot, moron, heretic, etc.) fuck off I don't care if you think I'm Genghis Khan treat me with the same respect I treat you.
To everyone else thank you for taking the time to read my post and try and clarify things a little bit. I would have a lot more to say and ask but I think that is quite enough for now! ]]> Opposing Ideologies JustMovement http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141091