9/11 – A Bad Move in the name of Anti-Imperialism

Middle Easterners and South Asians are correct to desire independence from global tyranny. The fact that they are thousands of years behind the civilized world is something that should be worked out on a technocratic level via populist revolution NOT via American intervention. The proletariat or bourgeois (it does not matter which) should fight for Technocratic revolution – that means removal of Sharia Law – but not America. The external enemy of imperialism must be defeated before the internal enemy of “religious book fundamentalism” is defeated. The change must come from the inside, not the outside. Now is the wrong time for revolution because it would only strengthen the position of imperialistic opportunists who would hijack the revolution and divert it to American interests. A temporary support of explicitly Islamic resistance against imperialism is logical for those who reject perfectionism.
If there is any confusion over whether or not I think Bin Laden’s move was a good one, I’ll clear it up by saying that it wasn’t. I sympathize with his impulse to get the invaders out of the Middle East, but randomly targeting civilians did not help his cause any more than John Wayne Gacy helped the cause of Construction Contracting by sodomizing random boys and then strangling them. The opportunist George Bush was able to achieve his goals largely because of 9/11 and its effect on public opinion. Bin Laden did no more to help his cause of anti-imperialism than Gary Ridgway helped the cause of fighting prostitution by strangling random prostitutes. The only thing Bin Laden did was take out his enemy Saddam Hussein (by accident), but he did nothing to weaken America. Even though America can’t win the war, it comes at the cost of Afghanistan infrastructure. And now world opinion is on America’s side in Afghanistan (not in Iraq).
There is no logical reason to think 9/11 was a good move, or that it increased support worldwide for the struggle against imperialism or improved the image of Islam. A Machiavellian analysis makes me conclude that 9/11 was a disaster and aided imperialism.

It was a genuine terrorist act. No doubt about it.

Whether or not it was convenient for extremists like Bush and whether secretly a light switch on in his head regarding Iraq, Afghanistan, Saddam and the Taliban is a moot point.

The fact is you cannot seriously involve yourself in a logical discussion regarding an action which was totally outrageous and un-merited.

People do not accept groups like the RAF killing a couple of dozen of innocents in the name of Marxism-Leninism (albeit one with vastly inadequate politics). I don't see why the murder of several thousand innocents (Capitalists, most probably, but not active conspirators such as the CIA or so on) in the name of extremist Islamic 'anti-imperialism' should be anything other than condemned in the strongest possible way.

I think 9/11 was an inside job. Sincerely

They needed to get to Iraq. Saddam was escaping their Imperialist grasp by selling oil in different currencies.
9/11 happens, and the US goes to Iraq to hit Saddam.
When they get there, the first thing they do is put the oil trading currency back to only the dollar.

This is the biggest proof.

We can go further and examine the speculation and whatever (for example, those twin towers fell exactly as do the prepared demolitions done by engineers) There are lots of evidence.

Yes. But the terrorrists might not be the ones that everyone thinks they are.

three thousand died actually, and when millions in the third world starve to death, Amerikans stuff their face and life fairly comfortably, even the working class, the people of the bastard nation of Amerika support the imperialist troops, huge numbers of them are racist, and they are totally unsympathetic to the third world peoples plight, that is not an innocent person.
Also the twin towers were a symbol of capitalist system, the people working their were directly contributing to the ongoing of capitalism.

I'm not sure if living on fast food everyday is a comfortable life, specially when you get (or not) to 50 years old with cancer somewhere, or heart problems, diabetes and whatever else.


The funny thing about 9/11 is that it was the only major attack. There were no attacks attacks that weren't handy for the US to attack a country.
Now that it needs to send more troops to Afghanistan or anywhere, a guy pops up and tries to blow a plane, but fails.
There was no terrorist attack from which the US didn't say ''we are being attacked, we have to send more troops to (some country)''
Smells too fishy to me.

better than starving to death after having all your family members massacred
If Amerikans are unhealthy and overweight, fucking go running

also carrots sweetcvorn oranges tomatos onions spinach bananas pepers garlic, dont cost as much as a big mac meal, they dont have to eat maccy Ds, im on minimum wage and i make all my food from scratch

Its not as if they couldn't have eaten healthily if they'd wanted to. Makes it even worse if anything.

MLM, you want to spark an armed insurrection of the workers in the US, yet you deride the majority of them (simply because their per capita income is that of a typical first world nation and not of a third world nation) as fat, lazy, racist types.

Frankly, takinga logical look at the situation, whether America is run by 'bastard' imperialists or not, you cannot come to any other conclusion other than condemnation of such an attack. And from a more pragmatic and less principled standpoint, if you lot really want to support attacks against 'bastard' civilians, you probably shouldn't support ones that lead to the overthrow of wonderful 'anti-imperialist' likes such as Saddam. Wasn't the best PR exercise and didn't exactly result in great practical results, did it?

The 9/11 conspiracy theory is probably one of the most successful conspiracy theories in history. Polls indicate that the majority of people on the planet doubt the official version (though more people believe the official version than any other particular version). This is an interesting fact, because it shows clearly that the vast majority of people in the world accept an idea which essentially leads to, or points to the fact they have very anti-imperialist tendencies.

While I don't accept any of the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense, it's not like the Left should take a very hostile stance toward it. You just need to get people to stop seeing things in terms of conspiracies and start seeing them in terms of structural analysis. To quote Alexander Cockburn:




I think Cockburn takes too hostile of an attitude toward all this nonsense. Conspiracy thinking didn't destroy the Left in America. It was already largely dead. This has just filled the void, and should be seen as potential for Leftists rather than as competition.

And no healthcare to boot.

Considering that in the most wealthy of capitalist countries 50 million people were undernourished last year, 50 million people don't have any health coverage and inequity is worse than in Western Europe and Japan and the standard of living has declined for 30 years for US workers, we can jettison these outdated pseudo-Maoist ideas about western workers being universally 'bought-off'.

we are getting off topic, any answers to the question comrades

Yeah. And if they worked hard they could get rich too.

It's all about the mentality. Eating fast food IS cheaper than eating the ideal nutritious food everyday. People like eating what tastes better for them, they eat a lot, so they are ''well fed''. Everyone is happy.
It doesn't change that easily.

People could stop smoking, drinking, and doing drugs too. But the virus has already spread, and it creates dependency. Capitalism shows the drug, teasing the consumers.
It isn't easy to stop bad habits, but if people had to make their own fast food, getting the meat and making the bread, making the cheese, or if they had to make their own cigars, alcoholic drinks and drugs, the consumption of these things will fall hugely.

You need to take a political enema, Comrade. This kind of ultra-leftism is foolish, dangerous and ignorant.

By the way, I worked in the World Trade Center: 59th floor of the north tower. I wasn't scheduled to work that day.

RED DAVE

well id rather you had been killed than the children in iraq, but when the twin towers fell the people were up in arms, when the third world has b22 bombers killing and 24 million starving to death yearly, they do fuck all, no use crying over dead Amerikans when these people in the oppressed nations strike back.

Also fast food is not cheaper than fruit veg and meat, unless you have to have the top brands, which yanks love so much

NOT the same thing. Nobody forces them to eat like they do, but the rich sure as fuck hold the poor down.


Its actually not cheaper, its just quicker and more convenient. The only way you could possibly find eating fast food is cheaper would be if you have a "time is money" view of the world.

It was quite obvious that it was a planned demolition. It was just way too perfect.

The 9/11 attacks were wrong and not something the left should support; however, the American government was in part to blame. It worsened the anti-American sentiment in the Middle-East. The attacks have since been used as fuel for right-wing campaigns against minority groups and it has lead to a lot of ignorance and fear amongst the public in general. All in all, a VERY bad move in the name of anti-imperialism.

In all my years as a leftist, I don't think I have ever read such a systematically foolish statement.

RED DAVE