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Old 15th March 2009, 11:14
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LOL "nice try"

I'm not trying to trick you.

Was it not Marx who said, "Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly."

The Fed is "Privately" owned but they are non-competitive -- they do not operate in a "free-market" they have monopoly control -- they do not function in a Market Anarchy, there is no competing currency. They can print and doll out Fiat Currency and Fiat Credit as they see fit. That is a "monopoly" and a monopoly cannot exist in a "truly" free-society or in Market-Anarchy.

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He meant this as a condition for socialism, not actually communism.

The 'privately' owned Fed has all its costs externalized by brute force from the government imposed on the people. Its like the bare naked logical conclusion of something like Anti-Trust legislation.

A truly privately owned enterprise would have all of its costs internalized to it and it alone. The free market provides that, obviously. Even in this system we can see what would become of these corporate monsters like GM and Citigroup if they were left to the mercy of the market and not bailed out ( rewarded) for their ( in my opinion , even immoral) corrupt behavior.
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Old 15th March 2009, 11:32
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Self-ownership isn't a monopoly? Uh oh. There goes your mantra about "individual liberty."
He was not talking about a basis of ethics ( i.e. theory of self-ownership) so nice bait and most would bite.

Not all Mkt.Anarchists endorse the theory of Self-Ownership, myself included. I used to but not anymore. The conclusions are sound but the premise is flawed. Its one of those oddball cases.


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States are still susceptible to the market. You can decide between here or almost any state in the world.

In fact, states are just large landlords. Free market capitalism is contradictory because all it does is defend micro-states.
Are you trying to say now that a state is the product of a (free market)?

I thought we went over your ( not very sound, no offense, not as bad as I thought but still not very sound) argument about landlords=states.

Internalized vs Externalized costs? Ring a bell? Conditional voluntary contracts vs Unilateral, non negotiable ones? Doing anything for you yet? Gene, when are you gonna make the serious video on YouTube addressing this?
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For starters you're not an anarchist.
Says you, the grand and objective arbitrator of what anarchism is.

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I'm a Minarchist with strong Anarchist leanings.
How strong? Maybe not that strong?
The largest gap in political thinking is not between small government and big government or minarchy vs socialism , but it is actually between minarchism and anarchism.

Minarchism merely disagrees with other forms of government in terms of degree and semantics.

Minarchism disagrees with Anarchism on core fundamentals,principles, and axioms.
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And not even the socialist economists could predict the Great Depression when it happened. Only one school got it right years before it actually happened. Take a stab at which one?
Realmente, the communist Nikolai Kondratieff, Lenin's top economic adviser, predicted the Great Depression as late as 1924. He was executed during the Stalin administration for putting forward te idea capitalism can still regenerate itself after some time. Perhaps you need to learn more about communism before proceeding to make false assertions?

Roger Babson, C.H. Douglas, Thorstein Veblen, and quite a few others also predicted the Great Depression around the time Hayek and Mises did

Is it too much to ask for some intellectual honesty out of the Austrian School? Next I'm going to hear Hayek wasn't defeated by Sraffa - oh wait.

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What happened to all my replies? Who went on the deleting spree?
I know nothing I said was insulting or out of hand, so whats the reason?
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What happened to all my replies? Who went on the deleting spree?
I know nothing I said was insulting or out of hand, so whats the reason?
Entire forum had to be reset. We ain't trying to repress you, don't worry.
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Just going to throw this out there. In 1879 Standard Oil controlled 90% of the US's oil. That's when we were as clase as possible to "lassie faire".
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Dejavu -- my posts were deleted as well.

I made two posts after yours Dejavu and they were so good that communists were instantly converting to Market Anarchy by just reading the opening lines.

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Hahahaha -- Yes!!!

*puts head down*

Actually no -- it was a mispelling
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