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Old 14th November 2009, 00:09
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Communism is not inevitable. To claim as much is metaphysics.

Stalin once said, to paraphrase, that the even without a party, the proletariat would row the boat to shore. However, we have seen that socialist revolutions can be reversed. Nothing is to say that the proletariat could not just keep rowing the boat in circles, never reaching the shore. This is why it is so important to learn from the history of real existing socialism -- so that we can do better next time. This is why it is so important to get the revolutionary science right. So we can get closer to communism.

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I wouldn't say that revolution can ever be impossible, but revolt is an incredibly scary thing. As capitalism fights for it's survival it stoops to lower and lower depths, and if there was to be a 'serious' revolt, I can't imagine capitalism going out without a fight.
So, here's what makes revolution difficult...would you be willing to give your life for the cause, or would you try to hang near the back of the mob and wait for the victory celebration.

I bet some here would be brave, but the general public are not courageous and are not willing to sacrifice the only true thing that they have, their lives.

I would venture to think that the circumstances for such a revolt would need to be so dire that it would be better to die than to keep living in the exploitative/oppressive state.
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It depends if people get tired of getting abuse by the status quo, and i guess there would be a revolution. But in order for that to happen, something have to happen to the point where it is too late to fix it
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Capitalist propaganda could become so ingrained into the worker's mind that we Communists might just become an underground network and have no way of preaching to the masses.
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Objectively, the overthrow of capitalism and its replacement by communism is possible as long as capitalism has not destroyed the instruments of production and the reproduction thereof, or humanity. Is it possible for capitalism to do either of these things, while still remaining capitalism and not collapsing under the weight of a workers' revolution. Absolutely.
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Well given the state of things now how many people are getting very fed up with the feds-and as the example has been set so far-80k people left-counting 50% of those are able bodied enough to actively fight-that's 40k,and count another 50% out-for those who'd be willing to fight-20k left to fight-even still,20k people are a formidable force,and if like has been used countless times,Guerrilla Warfare is applied it would work,those 20k in that city inspire another 20k in another city,10k in another city and so on the forces could amass in the millions-afterall there are 39 MILLION in Poverty in the USA today,17 Million able bodied enough to fight,8.5 Million who would be willing to fight to overthrow the current Government-and for history-that's a force no amount of Weapons-short of a Nuclear Holocaust-to wipe that from the face of the Earth-so to answer the question overall-no the Revolution is not impossible-it will always be a threat that the capitalist will always try to combat and try to defeat but as long as there is one communist with breath in their lungs and a heart beating in their chest and a thought in their head-Revolution will always be possible-that one person spreads the fire of revolution in another person and then they spread it to 4 others,those 8 to 16 and so on until it is in the thousands,ten thousands or even millions...but it comes to us the Left,the communist,anarchist and such to UNITE-to be worth while of trying to fight-if we quit arguing of where China went wrong,where the USSR went wrong,and so for and put out thoughts toward HOW WE CAN DO BETTER-AND NOT FAIL-we as the vanguard and the masses would be IMPOSSIBLE to defeat.

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Sinner, we must research the past, and discuss, because we must know where the socialist sountries went and are going wrong if we are going to find a way to make it work.

I commend your enthusiasm Sinner.
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I thank you and I understand we can look to history to see where they have failed-but we cannot dwell upon it as many of our parties do so often,we must look past the sides of Leninism,Maoist,and such in order to find the Common ground-after all that is a facet of Communism-instead of fighting and arguing with each other on whose ideals to follow we must look to the outcry of the oppressed people and decide what to do-yes it would entail much debate and discussion but we must not limit ourselves as capitalism does by getting caught up in the debate and lose sight of our goal,the longer we fight amongst ourselves the more powerful our Imperialist/Capitalist enemies grow-and though they can become so strong that a victory over them may seem impossible-it will not be impossible for the people to overthrow them with ease,no matter how much the Capitalist animal claws and bites and tries to maintain it's place on it's so called top of the wealth/control chain-it is in fact the weakest link and it needs not be strengthened-it needs to be cut and allowed to fall away before we can truly rid ourselves of it and unite as one people and as one power-and for as long as we have backing of the masses and hold popular support no enemy shall stand in our way.for we would be the true Army of the people-and truly Indivisible as a nation.
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Seeing that now capitalism has blessed us with the constant possibility of nuclear war, yes, capitalism is now literally a threat to our very existence.

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Sinner, you are right, there is much disagreement even between the leftists. Sometimes I feel this forum to be a collosium where intellectual and idealistic competitions are held and sometimes I feel the raw passion of revolution is missing.
But...this IS a place for learning, and debating, and there are many very intellegent people here who are working toward an efficient and acceptable socialist model. These cadres focus on mostly in socio-scientific thought and just because they are not declaring the terrible and unfair exploitations of man by man does not mean they have lost that revolutionary fire.
No, it's just that one can only speak about these injustices so many times before one is expected to have a tangible plan of action.

Sinner, stick around, I think you'd be good for this forum, and I know you could learn a lot from the intellectuals here.
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