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Old 21st September 2009, 22:34
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This fresh and intriguing book seems pretty cool, and I'm hoping to get a copy when I can find it at a lower price.

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Fall is a time when many people look for new books to read. I Am Pol Pot is a historical novel that tries to intemperate the motives of the leadership of the short lived regime called Democratic Kampuchea. Most people have heard of Pol Pot, the loss of Kampuchean lives, and his movement, which was called the Khmer Rouge, by the western press. Here is a short summery of the novel:

I Am Pol Pot
The making of Democratic Kampuchea
A fictional autobiography
By Steve Otto

This novel looks at Pol Pot’s revolution, which developed as a result of the 1970s turbulence of the Vietnam War. When President Richard Nixon spread the Vietnam War to Kampuchea, (called Cambodia today) he not only caused outrage and protest at home, including the Kent State Ohio massacres, but he also threw Kampuchea into a state of civil war. His inept handling of the situation brought about one of the strangest and cruel social experiment of the 20th Century. Pol Pot ruled through a committee known for the first year only as the Ankar (organization). His name was not even spoken to the Kampuchean people for two years. His Communist Party of Kampuchea had amassed a powerful movement of disenfranchised peasants, who were loyal to him and his regime. The Residence of Phnom Penh, the city’s capital, were not so lucky. They were treated with suspicion and punishment for those considered “un-redeemable” was harsh.
This novel looks at the Cambodian revolution from inside the ruling circle. It is a depiction of the man, his ideas and his motives. He saw himself as the world’s great redeemer, while most people outside his movement saw a horror show. This is his story.
From http://polpot8.blogspot.com/ . Some excerpts can be found on the same page.
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I guess it would be good to use for starting a bonfire, that is the only use i can see for it, i used Mein Kampf for the same thing.

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Cool if I wanna know more about psuedo-communist nationalist primitivism I know where to look now thanks
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How was it nationalist?
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How was it nationalist?
In theory, it wasn't very nationalist. But in practice, the Khmer Rogue persecuted the Thai and the Vietnamese minorities inside Democratic Kampuchea.

I have heard somewhere that Pol Pot had been a disciple of Sartre.
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Yeah Pol Pot was educated in France and thats where he became leftist, so, given the time, he could well have been influenced by Sartre.

And yeah there was nationalism in the Khmer Rouge movement (its in the name lol), as there is some nationalism in most communist movements. Especially in countries which have just been under imperialist attack, and face attack from neighbouring countries.

And they weren't primitivist. That's a stupid allegation that doesnt stand up to historical fact.
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Nationalism isnt exactly the worst thing about Pol Pot really... Wanting a nation to be peasants with no intellectuals, and wipeing out the disabled, and the whole racism thing... oh yea and the 2million he killed....
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Man, fuck Pol Pot. If you think you're doing Communism a favor by defending his idiotic and blood-stained interpretation of revolution, you need to wise up.

Pol Pot was so fucking bad, the Vietnamese took him out. Vietnam was a REAL revolution.
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And they weren't primitivist. That's a stupid allegation that doesnt stand up to historical fact.
Tell me why then.

I would say they're nationalist primitivists because they wanted to return to a feudalistic stage in Cambodian history, and the persecutions other comrades have mentioned. And Pol Pot's patriotic obsession with the Angkor Wat.
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I'm pretty open-minded, but does anyone know where I can get some balanced info on polpot? From what I know his whole reign was unmitigated horror, but like I say I only have heard from capitalistic sources, so I try to be open minded.
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This fresh and intriguing book seems pretty cool, and I'm hoping to get a copy when I can find it at a lower price.


From http://polpot8.blogspot.com/ . Some excerpts can be found on the same page.
Then yr defiantly gonna wanna check this out
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I'm pretty open-minded, but does anyone know where I can get some balanced info on polpot? From what I know his whole reign was unmitigated horror, but like I say I only have heard from capitalistic sources, so I try to be open minded.
The Khmer Rouge was pretty crap. I'm not saying they were good, but theres so much bullshit attitudes towards them, that pol pot was just pure evil and wanted to kill everyone.
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Yeah Pol Pot was educated in France and thats where he became leftist, so, given the time, he could well have been influenced by Sartre.

And yeah there was nationalism in the Khmer Rouge movement (its in the name lol), as there is some nationalism in most communist movements. Especially in countries which have just been under imperialist attack, and face attack from neighbouring countries.

And they weren't primitivist. That's a stupid allegation that doesnt stand up to historical fact.
No. But their economic policies were batshit insane and de-facto primitivist, as they were de-facto nationalist. The idea to empty the countryside and make everyone farmers was ludicruous and built on very weird philosophical positions.
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This is the best and most balanced take on Pol Pot I've seen (and it isn't pro-Pol Pot): http://www.aworldtowin.org/back_issu...lPot_eng25.htm

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Nonetheless, Democratic Kampuchea set out to face this threat in a reactionary manner. Phnom Penh radio broadcast an appeal to "purify our armed forces, our Party and the masses of people... in defence of Cambodian territory and the Cambodian race.... One of us must kill 30 Vietnamese... two million troops would be more than enough to fight the Vietnamese, because Vietnam has only 50 million inhabitants.... We need only two million troops to crush the 50 million Vietnamese, and we would still have six million people left. We must formulate our combat line in this manner, in order to win victory."
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Yeah Pol Pot was educated in France and thats where he became leftist, so, given the time, he could well have been influenced by Sartre.

And yeah there was nationalism in the Khmer Rouge movement (its in the name lol), as there is some nationalism in most communist movements. Especially in countries which have just been under imperialist attack, and face attack from neighbouring countries.

And they weren't primitivist. That's a stupid allegation that doesnt stand up to historical fact.
I really doubt Pol Pot was influenced by Sartre, by his own account Marx was over his head, so all his marxist theory came from books by Stalin.
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