No idea, but I'm sure they won't grieve for a second that "anarcho-communist" "skki" doesn't "give a fuck". Regardless of the IRA's politics, these people are political prisoners of British imperialism, you mouth-breathing cretin. Anyone who has any idea of progressive causes would support the struggle to free such prisoners. What kind of shitty anarchist supports Republicans being held by the state, anyway?

Pure gerrymandering, as someone said before. In any country, you can find a particular region where the majority wants something different. So hey, let's just split it off, or annex it into another country, it's "what the people want", right? Maybe if some shitty village demands the right to be independent so they can hold a regular "running of the Jew", it's all fine too.

I think its so adorable that everyone in this discussion has been ignoring the elephant in the room and debating the trivialities. The IRA KILLED INNOCENT CIVILIANS. THIS WAS IRA POLICY. Stick to the subject eh?

So because I couldnt give two shits about a bunch of delusional murderers being held in some prison, I automatically support the states decision? I just don't care. Take them outside and shoot them, I really couldn't care less.

lol @ nerd rage

And who started the murdering?

Also, who created the conditions for which the modern IRA'(s) emerged?

Your anger is directed at the symptom, not the cause.

Delusional, how so?

It was never IRA policy to harm civilians, it happend, but that is the ugly side of war. I find it funny when ever trendy middle class lefties come on here and bad mouth Irish Republicans, those who are actually fighting against imperialism instead of just typing about it. You should turn off your computer and go read a few books or even better go out and do something productive for your community instead of making an ass of yourself on here.

For the record; I hate imperialism and the IRA equally. And Connolly, did the random people hanging around at clubs start the conflict? You people are talking like fucking nationalists. The British government started the conflict hundreds of years ago, so British people deserve to die for it today? And Irish_republican: when the IRA detonated bombs in the middle of Manchester and London, they werent trying to harm civilians? Call it the ugly side of war, tell me I'm ignorant, whatever. This is mass murder and I do not approve.

Stupid cunt, they gave warnings. And didn't I tell you to fuck off and go read a book? You should take my advice. Oh and maybe getting off the computer and actually doing something revolutionary instead of complaining like a little bitch would help too.

Your 'argument' sounds totally emotive. Those people "hanging around the clubs" were victims of the troubles. The IRA did not start the conflict, they emerged from the conditions present at the time, with most of its members being victims also. They are a symptom, infact the IRA were almost a spent force before the troubles errupted (with something like 3 guns in the entire city of Belfast).

Its not about killing civilians, or whether the IRA were right or wrong - its about recognising and understanding that they emerged from the oppression and near apartheid type system which was in place.

As I say, your anger is misplaced. You are attacking the symptom as opposed to that which causes sectarianism, division and the problems, which is partition and the British occupation. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibhnhqB02A8

Also, I dont consider myself a nationalist (infact I hate that term). But Irish republican socialism is not necessarilly nationalist, rather, it seeks to create the conditions for working class unity and the creation of socialism on the island. What you are saying is like calling anti-racist campaigners racist by virtue of trying to eliminate it, or work for unity.

Not that 'nationalism' is necessarilly bad either. Nations exist, cultures, languages, music and traditions are real. Not just are they real, but I would hope that any communist world would be full of diversity, full of nations, and atempts to promote it.

After all, we dont want one big grey slab of Britney Spears and 50cent now do we.

What exactly is the problem with this? These organisations did not sign up to the GFA and therefore have no reason to be released under its terms. Highlighting their continued imprisonment is one thing but suggesting that they have any legal grounds for release under the GFA is pure hypocrisy

Source? Evidence?

Infact, the only organisation who had a deliberate policy of murdering civilians was the Loyalist murder gangs who are part of the state apparatus and defended, funded, directed and trained by both your army and government.

What about Kingsmill? Did they shoot those 10 protestant workers dead by accident?

why do you hate the IRA so much they were really just a bunch of farmers that had the balls to stand up to the british as they took away their rights and land before their eyes?

oh and how are we nationalists we are relly just a bunch of angry farmers that want our land back

fuck the british! free scotland and ireland.

there are three kinds of people: bullies, the one that complain and cry about bullies bullying them, only to be laughed at by the bully, and the people who punch the bullies three times is the face for beeing a stupid mean bully. and if he tries to fight back because of that, punches him another three times, until the bully becomes nice to people and stops beeing a bully. and then they can become friends!

i like you, amen to that!!

the vast majority of attacks carried out by the republican armies were directed at the security forces. no, it wasn't regular IRA policy to target kill innocent civilians. the fact that warnings were so often issued is evidence of that.

if the republicans had wanted to murder lots of civilians, they could've easily done a whole lot more, as gruesome as that sounds. even Tony Blair said the same thing, that the IRA wasn't out to massacre civilians. same holds true for the INLA who carried out some sophisticated attacks.

events like Kingsmill, while completely inexcusable and sickening (and counter productive to the republican cause) were aberrations.

see the book Bandit Country, it even has quotes from British Army personnel and Protestant clergy backing this up. And the author was not a republican sympathiser, not at all.

I'm not an IRA supporter btw, I'm in the IRSP, and I have many criticisms of the republican movement.

(not a response to PRC_UTE)
You people make me sick. You are using nationalism to justify murder. I suppose you approve of the 9/11 attacks too? I mean the US army was in foreign lands; overturning governments and installing dictatorships. Surely this means that the US citizens deserved to die, right? They were just defending themselves from the imperialistic Americans by killing those people.

There are plenty of living relatives of the victims of the IRA. How about you go explain to them why their loved ones deserved to die.

I hate British imperialism. I hate the British government. I hate everything the British Army has ever done, and I especially hate what they did in Ireland. But picture this scenario: Suppose you mug me. Suppose you come into my house, beat me half to death, kill my family, take all of my possessions and money, then leave. And then, I go over to your house and murder your sister in the name of self defense. Is this justifiable behavior?

Also, lol @ that dipshit telling me to "read something" . Simple people entertain me to no end.

I didn't get that argument from a reading of it.

Wrong

Irrelevent

Stupid comparison

Stupid comment

Getting all emotional.

Who'd believe it.

Who says what is and what is not justifiable? - are you God?

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Wow your entire post was just, well, a waste of time.

Someone respond to this please, because i have read upon on this incident and I don't see how it was any different from fascist death squads excecuting someone based on their colour or ethnicity. It was cold hearted murder of innocents based upon their background.

You don't recognize the difference because you don't understand what fascism is, and you refuse to acknowledge the conditions in which IRA militants were forced to operate by the actions of the British state. Fascism is what emerges when the bourgeoisie is faced with the threat of social revolution, and involves the use of violence (which can be exercised by the state, or independent bodies such as the Blackshirts in Italy) to destroy workers organizations and break up the institutions of bourgeois democracy as a means to restore profitability and prevent capitalism from being overthrown - nothing of the sort existed in Northern Ireland during "The Troubles" and so it makes absolutely no sense to characterize the IRA as being some kind of fascist movement, unless you insist on completely distorting the meaning of fascism and rejecting the Marxist analysis. As for the actual massacre itself, we can assume that all communists regret the deaths of innocent civilians, but at the same time we should acknowledge that the massacre occurred in response to sectarian murders committed by the UVF the previous day, and unlike the violence of the UVF, all actions conducted by the IRA and other organizations which shared the same political viewpoint were designed to remove an oppressive occupation which denied and continues to deny the Irish people their basic rights.