For starters, "terrorist" is a state term.

And you know fuck all about the IRA, especially when sections within were promoting unity between "Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter to break the connection with capitalism", and fought the Blueshirts fascists off the streets of Dublin.

What hinders this argument that dogmatists have, is a lack of fucking knowledge. When someone who actually knows about the Irish republican, and nationalist movements comes forward, let them argue your case, because at the minute, it's quite the poor show.

Duffers, I think to most readers the case was proven about six pages ago. What we have had mainly for the last six pages if a few republicans throwing insults and ad homins at one person.

On your comments about lack of knowledge, I would say I have a fair knowledge of the republican movement probably better than most posters on this thread. If you would lkike to look back to earlier in the thread, you can see where the facts are coming from and where the empty assertions are coming from.

Devrim

HLVS seems to be throwing a lot of personal attacks himself. People like him and Oliver Lang evidently don't know enough to be speaking about the topic.

My comment was directed at them, not you, having read the last few pages.

Well from my own experience of the IRSP in Belfast and especially Dublin, I would say they are only a marxist organisation by name.

No offense but you get your information on the IRSP and other republicans/nationalists from books, I've dealt with them first hand. I'm sure I am more qualified to speak on the subject than you are.

Again, how exactly were they not "Marxist in name"; did they not know who Trotsky was, when you asked them? What the fuck does anything you've said mean, articulate further.

None taken, I don't get offended by going nowhere remarks.

Read my previous posts. I don't support terrorism. The rest est of your post has already been dealt with also.

or individualist terrorists, revolutionary bonapartists or whatever all label your dogmato-volcabulary (hey, I can make up words too!) expends to. Ordinary people don't give a shit.

No it's not, it is a "tactic" which had been condemned by the workers movement more than a century ago.

There is a difference, however, between the strategy and tactics of terrorism and that of armed struggle and it was the latter which was being utilised in Ireland from 1916-1923 and again from 1969-1987. Terrorism is now very much a loaded term and has been in Ireland since the British state began its criminalisation policy regarding native resistance to their presence here. Therefore even though those who misguidedly continue to carry out armed actions may indeed be "individual terrorists", there's no value in labelling them as such because then one is simply parroting the establishment's line.

I'm betting you don't know too many irps tbh. this sounds more like middle class stereotypes of the irps I usually hear

the core and leading members of the party are very well educated in Marxist politics for the most part, but we have a lot of members that aren't adequately politically conscious which is a problem. but more so the problem is that we have a lot of people who identify with the party who show up to events and even call themselves members who aren't formally members but are more like active supporters. it's a problem that often embarrasses us.

most the left doesn't get it, cos we're bigger than a glorified study group which is all that most the Left actually is. they're unfamiliar with the attendant problems of a larger working class party.

however I've attended party education meetings in Belfast that were very good, also all the leading members I know in Dublin are politically sound people.

the tactic of individual terrorism has been discredited that's for sure. isolated attacks on bourgeois targets in a time of peace will not provoke an uprising. but you're confusing the armed struggle with individual terrorism. I dont think that oversimplifying history really helps.

however armed struggle to defend a mass movement or pursue its goals in a time of existing conflict is another subject. some form of violence will surely be necessary to destroy the bourgeois state.

from an article by IRSP member Liam O Ruairc:

source

What a pointless sweeping statement.
There are some great individuals active in the IRSP in Dublin and Belfast.

It was a reference to the Skrewdriver song, 'Smash the IRA." i was just kidding either way.


Fellas. We can debate over whether or not the Provisional IRA are criminals or not, but not all Irish Republicans are guilty of killing people. That's a stereotype.
Irish republicanism is a leftist issue, so this concerns us.

Not much of a debate is needed comrade. The "Provisional" IRA are counter-revolutionary criminals, just like the "Official" IRA. A Sinn Fein member of the Dublin parliament openly stated in said parliament that the only reason for the continued existence of the (P)IRA was so that the organisation could act as a "buffer" and keep dissenting Republicans in check by gathering intelligence on their activities and so forth.

Agreed.

The problem arises from the Irps' failure to act exactly as their favourite theorist desires, despite the fact republicanism couldn't work any other way, and we're now 60 odd years down the line when the far left is no longer as strong as it once was.