But on the other hand, standing on a street corner in a town center selling newspapers makes you the pinnacle of revolutionary struggle.

Stop you're slabbering love. I am opposed to the blowing up of innocent people. What have I said to make you think differently? You cannot sit on the fence on issues like this and so by claiming to be neutral and deriding the Republican struggle you are in fact supporting the British position, whether that's your intention or not.

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Can we have evidence of this claim or it is another fairy tale of yours?

Droppin Well? 7 civilians was it?

And don't be dense Hessian. I oppose Israel, but I don't support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I oppose Ahmadinejad but I don't support the USA. I oppose the bombing of civilians, but I also oppose the British Armed Forces. Too deep for you?

What stupid logic. "You must support us regardless of who we blow up because if you don't you support the enemy who also murder innocent people!"

I support the working class >_>

Only one example and at that, quite a weak one too? So where are all these other bombs planted to murder civilians?

Fact - the INLA had issued warnings, telling people to stay away from Droppin' Well and the owners had been warned to stop serving soldiers. They had been warned to stop fraternising and accomodating the enemy - they refused and paid the price. These things happen in war. The POUM murdered "innocent workers" too, remember.

But the POUM is sexy, it's an image - there's no real analysis involved. The left are all image and no content. Raped nuns and murdered priests galore. Fact is, these things happen in war - there is no avoiding them.

You're the sort of lads that I see around the trendy left groups in Belfast who end up in middle class jobs and people wonder 'how did that happen?' Well, it's quite obvious.

Innocent working class lads, who didn't know what they were doing.

And you do know, you're using a terrible loss of civilian life as collateral from 20 odd years ago, when the organisation was struggling with sectarian elements?

Awful things happen, and I don't think anyone can disagree that was wrong, but to say that sums up INLA, is absolute bollocks. There are still the only relevant active Marxist republican group in Ireland, and mainly focusing their efforts in the north, where most think it's a lost cause.

How would you know?

From what I've seen the only place in Ireland where they have any real support or relevancy within working class communities is in Derry. They are non-existent pretty much anywhere else.

And from my experience most of their members don't give a toss about Marxism let alone understand what it is.

In what sense do you oppose the US, UK and Israel? Your claim that Republicans deliberately murdered civilians and that this was standard policy is wearing thin now. Come up with a fresh batch of bullshit.

That's not what I said you plank.

Not the Irish working class' right to defend itself though it would seem.

From reading. Pray tell, what Marxist group is bigger than the INLA? When they're arguing amongst them and their dog of course.

Ireland being the whole island, not the Republic of Ireland, and I mentioned they were mainly active in the north. "Non-existent pretty much anywhere else" would be 'cause they're mainly active in the north. Quite obvious really, no?

So you've actually spotted INLA members and asked their Marxist credentials eh? "How would you know"?

The INLA isn't the Irish working class defending itself. Its a group of arme dtrigger happy kids claiming to represent them but without actualy doing so.

Read some history, get some facts, come back here and prove your empty claims.

And don't be so stupid as to pretend to yourself that your economic and social situation is any different from mine. What evidence is there that your not a 'trendy' leftist who'll end up in a middle class job? I love all this posturing over an internet forum. From your analysis and opinions its a safe bet you've never even seen someone from Northern Ireland, let alone participated in the workers movement there. Stop playing boy soldiers. Thats what the INLA do. Woops.

I wouldn't say there are too many "kids" in the INLA.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ you're some cunt.

You're just acting a fool at this stage by trying to force me to reveal my identity - other people here know me personally and have already attested to my record in previous pages of this thread. I won't reveal my identity but I will say that for a few years I held various leadership positions at different levels in the IRSP. Perhaps, just perhaps, I would be in a position to have a bit more knowledge than you on the history of the IRSP and INLA. Then again, the know it all tendency I spoke about previously strikes again.

Either address the points I made in my previous post or admit you're wrong and move on. The INLA have done some very bad things, Droppin' Well wasn't one of them. As far as I was and still am concerned, it was justified.

This is just trolling. The problem is that you're right but your language is not. Result is that you alienate potential supporters and push people further away from your argument, which is right in content but not in how its drafted. The Workers Party went down this road and alienated themselves from the nationalist people by calling the Provos 'green fascist spawn of Hitler'. There was no 'orange fascist spawn of Hitler', of course. There was in reality but the Workers Party and CWI in Ireland (SP) work alongside the PUP, the political representitives of Ulster fascism.

So where are all these other bombs planted to murder civilians?

The INLA had issued warnings, telling people to stay away from Droppin' Well and the owners had been warned to stop serving soldiers. They had been warned to stop fraternising and accommodating the enemy - they refused and paid the price. That's war - The British army cannot expect to murder Irish children with plastic and live ammunition and not expect these things to happen. These things happen in war, no matter how gruesome or regrettable - these people were not civilians. They had been warned.

If Irish women want to whore themselves out to the occupation forces, they do so at a price. Just as in Europe after the defeat of Fascism, revenge was sought. The same happened during the war. Yes, it's awful, but it's their own fault. They had been warned.

Let's be clear though, successive British governments are to blame for the conflict in Ireland. If the Irish people were free of external influences no conflict would exist. There is no subjective or moralistic argument regarding individual actions because they took place in the context of a national liberation struggle which was broader than Droppin' Well.

If you want 'proof' regarding Droppin' Well I can get the files and documents of Jack Holland, author of Deadly Divisions, pm me for details and I will send you photocopies of all the documents you want.

The POUM murdered "innocent workers" too. The Republicans in Spain raped nuns. Why doesn't the same moralist and subjective argument apply to this?

Are you serious ? terrorist tactics (which they are) firstly are sickening and secondly just don't work .
I have very few sympathies with the INLA & IRA's tactics.The IRA are not and hardly ever were a revolutionary organization(in the marxist sense).
... I think your internet messed up when it directed you here and not to stormfront.
Besides the obvious fact that capitalism would still exist ! that instead of a british whip in the north it would very simply be an Irish one .

Your nationalist tendencies have blinded you , I've lived in Ireland all my life .... and you know what .. its not all that great , we have a shit health system ,social partnership with the bosses , an education system in complete crisis. Where in the north they have the NHS ...and if not for the bullshit sinn fein and DUP govt women would have the right to choose , oh one should be so lucky that they live under the crown.

but this begs the question, are these "workers in uniform", or "state workers"? it's an important question.

I feel bad for these working class lads, so exploited when they smashed up my friends and family's homes. and the Germans were only after some good wine, they didn't intend to kill the Jews or starve the French and Belgian workers.

the working class paddies they shot or tortured were probably anti working class nationalist gangster stalinist terrorists anyway.