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50 republicans still in prison
The Irish News 17/11/08 History was made in 1998 when the gates of the Maze prison opened and republican and loyalist inmates were freed under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement. But 10 years on from their early release – agreed as part of efforts to consign the Troubles to history – there are around 50 republican prisoners in jails north and south of the border. Maghaberry jail has 31 inmates housed in its republican ‘separated’ unit. The only one to have had his early release licence revoked is John Brady from Strabane. Released from the Maze in 1998 after serving seven years for the murder of RUC reservist David Black in 1989, he was arrested in 2004 and charged with allegedly attempting to kill a part-time RIR soldier two years earlier. The charge was later dropped by the Public Prosecution Service, which had been due to rely on controversial ‘low copy number’ DNA evidence but he remains in jail for the previous life sentence. The majority of republican prisoners in Maghaberry are affiliated with Continuity IRA, with a handful of Real IRA prisoners also held on the wing. Also in Maghaberry are two of the four men convicted of the Provisional IRA kidnapping of veteran republican Bobby Tohill in 2004. Tommy Tolan and Gerard McCrory, both from west Belfast, handed themselves in to police in January 2007 after a period of being unlawfully at large. In Portlaoise prison in Co Laois, the vast majority of republican inmates are affiliated to the Real IRA. The most high-profile of these is Michael McKevitt, serving a 20-year jail term for directing terrorism. One of the founding members of the Real IRA, the veteran republican has since turned his back on his former associates. There are eight alleged INLA prisoners in Portlaoise, the majority on remand awaiting trial for charges ranging from membership of the organisation to possession of weapons. Armagh man Declan Duffy is among them, having been arrested earlier this year and charged with membership. West Belfast man Gerard Mackin has also been in Portlaoise and is now on trial in Dublin’s Special Criminal Court charged with the murder of Eddie Burns in the city in March last year. Two other republican prisoners are being held in jails outside of Ireland. Dundalk man Michael Campbell (36) is being detained in Lithuania on suspicion of buying firearms and explosives for the Real IRA. The last republican prisoner in England, Noel Maguire, was convicted along with four other men for a Real IRA bombing campaign and is serving 22 years in a prison in Cambridgeshire. Earlier this month the Republic’s justice minister Dermot Ahern turned down a request by Maguire for transfer to Portlaoise, saying he had failed to prove he has family links in the jurisdiction.
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Why exactly, am I supposed to give a fuck about this scum?
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What scum?
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They are members of a party that murdered innocent people simply because of the country they were living in. And they were too cowardly and too dense to go after anyone of any particular significance.
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![]() just a thought, do you support british imperialism in ireland?
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Anyway, these are the kind of attitudes Karl Marx struggled against when he was in Britain. he tried to push the English Communists to back Irish republicans rather than line up behind the imperialists and repeat their lies.
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my grandad was there when mountbattens boat was blown up he didnt do it before you get any ideas!!
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No. And I do not support massacring innocent British people who played no part in it. They rarely went after a political target. They just blew up nightclubs and other public places in order to injure tourism. Try blaming the people of Northern Ireland. They were the ones who kept voting to stay in the UK.
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actually it was due to rigging of votes by a unionist minority (gerrymandering) the average joe wanted to be independant of british rule
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maybe a mod or admin can split the OT comments. I started this thread to raise awareness of Irish political prisoners/POW and a discussion on that topic. many are incarcerated on purely circumstantial evidence, or convicted of membership in an illegal organisation solely on the word of a garda detective and their families suffer a lot of hardship as a result.
some like Noel Maguire haven't seen their family in nine years and have been attacked in prison you don't have to agree with their politics to see that it's fucked up.
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sorry, i probably didnt help
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anyway back to what this thread is about...
how many people are detained and charged with membership of any parts of the IRA at this present moment? btw are you a member of éirgí?
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I doubt there's any members of the IRA (I assume you mean the Provoisional IRA) detained atm, they got released in the GFA. The detainees will be from various other armed groups.
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The new thread is here: http://www.revleft.com/vb/struggle-i...042/index.html
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given that my mother narrowly missed being killed by an IRA bomb herself i am quite disgusted by the support many on here have for these gangsters. whatever the historic injustices perpetrated against ireland, there is no justification for directing murder against a civilian population.
i also think you'll find it interesting that sinn fein gave open support to the nazis during world war 2. they are nationalists first and foremost, not socialists. |
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Yesterday someone tried to justify Stalin, today the IRA. I can really see why the administration hates the userbase so....
This forum reeks of the ignorance and stupidity of Stormfront. |
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