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Published by Die Neue Zeit
2nd September 2008 |
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#1
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Red Anarchist of Love
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4th September 2008, 01:12
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this is a brillant idea it would allow the working class to spend more time with there familes, createing a better life for now and the future.
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#2
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Die Neue Zeit
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4th September 2008, 02:57
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I don't think you got the political emphasis of the demand above (and yes, I realize the ordinary "labour" aspect of this demand, but that was a secondary issue, as implied by the presentation of the article).
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#3
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23rd December 2008, 19:34
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We've been on the same demand for years*, I fully applaud this.
*The exact amount of time per working week differs from section to section according to material circumstances, in the Netherlands we do call for 32 hours without loss of pay, although I'd rather defend a 6 hour working day (30 hour week). |
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28th December 2008, 16:07
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#6
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Die Neue Zeit
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28th December 2008, 16:25
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]I'm not sure about your remarks on "departing from the level of consciousness." The participatory-democratic emphasis of this demand does depart from such (moreso than the CWI's formulation), primarily because most people think of [parliamentary] "ballots" vs. "bullets," and also because most people think of added leisure time without the participatory-democratic emphasis. On the other hand, if I remember correctly, not every demand in The Transitional Program is strictly "transitional" (whether "transitional" to the DOTP "minimum" a la CPGB - taken to be part of the orthodox "maximum" - or "transitional" to the maximum of communism itself): Quote:
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Last edited by Die Neue Zeit; 28th December 2008 at 16:48..
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#7
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28th December 2008, 16:57
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Doesn't this make any distinction between the Minimum-maximum Program of revolutionary social-democracy and the Transitional Program obsolete (apart from the shortcomings in both programs (1) (2))? If so, does it in anyway mean that both the polemics between "Trotskyism" and (CPGB's) "Leninism" are exagerations? |
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#8
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Die Neue Zeit
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28th December 2008, 18:09
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Well, comrade, the defense of democratic rights was implied if not included outright in the Transitional Program, most notably in the section regarding fascist countries. The minimum-maximum program and the supposedly different "program of/for soviet power" (Lenin as quoted by Mark Hoskinson in "Debating the Marxist Programme" with Mike Macnair) emphasized "politico-political" demands:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/leni...ft/02feb07.htm Quote:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/leni...iprog/ch04.htm Quote:
Also keep in mind that Trotsky's idea of "soviets" was the 1905 form (akin to "congresses" of factory committees in 1917-1920), NOT the "parliamentary" 1918 form (Kautsky's "parliamentarism" in the 1890s and the Second International consensus shortly thereafter): http://www.marxists.org/archive/trot...p-text2.htm#so Quote:
http://thecommune.wordpress.com/2008...-mike-macnair/ Quote:
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